Purely hypothetical: HK USP vs. Walther P99

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:02 pm

In what respect?

Post by **Bdw3** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:06 pm

Hunt? Because you can?

I recently had the chance to fire a new S&W .500 Revolver...
The only thing I could say for like 10- minutes was 'Damn'

Seriously though, the Springfield XD is a far more comfortable gun then either of those (IMO, I handled both a the local gun shop) and quite a bit cheaper (in the HK’s case anyway).
-An XD is my next planned firearm purchase in fact.

On top of that a .45ACP version of the XD has just entered production, making it available in 5 calibers. (Other’s 9x19mm, .357SIG .40S&W, .45GAP)

Seriously though, I would suggest that anyone looking at these guns go to a shop and handle each of them, fire them if they have a range, and make a decision based on what feels comfortable to them.

Heh-

- Yank gun nut

Edits: DamnTypos :icon33:

Post by **Clauz** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:07 pm

Just sounds like a weak ass excuse to have handguns. But what the hell do I know, I don't hunt.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:14 pm

Clauz wrote:Just sounds like a weak ass excuse to have handguns.

It is. But hunters are subject to very strict laws on how to handle and where to keep their guns, so I guess they can be trusted with them.
If they really wanted to kill someone they could use their rifle, and in a stressful situation they're probably not going to go through the trouble of opening their gun safe, then opening their handgun safe within the gun safe (that's how you have to keep handguns and they can come to your house and check it), take out the gun, load it and then shoot their cheating wife.

Also, a DUI is enough to lose the hunter's priviledge to gun ownership over here.

Post by **andyman** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:14 pm

Nightshade wrote:
BlueGene wrote:They both suck compared to the Desert Eagle.

[lvlshot]http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/articles/wallpaper/spacecowboy_0902/tokyo_marui_desert_eagle_.50_a.e._red_point.jpg[/lvlshot]
Care to elaborate?

he played counterstrike once or twice.

Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:15 am

Well, I can't argue with that logic.

Claus, a lot of people hunt wild boar with handguns, but not the kind in this thread.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:25 am

there's wild boars in this thread?

Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:51 am

No. Crashing bores, yes. Wild boar, no.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:59 am

badum tsh

Post by **Fjoggs** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:02 am

Asterix & Obelix?

Post by **Dave** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:04 am

andyman wrote:
Nightshade wrote:
BlueGene wrote:They both suck compared to the Desert Eagle.

[lvlshot]http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/articles/wallpaper/spacecowboy_0902/tokyo_marui_desert_eagle_.50_a.e._red_point.jpg[/lvlshot]
Care to elaborate?
he played counterstrike once or twice.

Dre raps about them too

Post by **Jemcdv** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:56 am

Fjoggs wrote:Asterix & Obelix?

Vada??

Post by **Bdw3** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:40 am

No?

a 9mm is a .35 bullet

The typical load for a 9mm is around 90 to 115 grains
These little guys run around 1,000 to 1,600 fps with a muzzle energy in the 300 to 380 ft. lbs range. (depending on load)

A .45ACP is a 11.43mm bullet

Usually around 230gr (FMJ) with a slower muzzle velocity, around 800 to 900 fps with a muzzle energy from 350to 490 ft. lbs. Depending on the load.

Much slower but much much more ummmph so to speak.

Post by **tnf** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:42 am

I could fire a kidney stone out to beat both. Just point and shoot.

Post by **Bdw3** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:43 am

ow 0_0

Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:33 pm

Yep. .45 ACP is one of the best combat rounds out there, with only the .44 and .357 magnums coming close in terms of stopping power. I'd rather shoot the .45 due to the more manageble recoil. Besides, .357s over-penetrate because they're basically a 9mm with a shitload more powder behind them, and .44s are fucking hand cannons.

Post by **Dukester** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:51 pm

To achieve more knockdown power one needs more mass, rather than more velocity, as anyone who has studied the matter is fully aware. But marketing is what dictates these things, as we all know, and when it comes to cartridge innovation velocity is what sells. ~Jeff Cooper

Post by **Bdw3** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:49 pm

Nightshade wrote:Yep. .45 ACP is one of the best combat rounds out there, with only the .44 and .357 magnums coming close in terms of stopping power. I'd rather shoot the .45 due to the more manageble recoil. Besides, .357s over-penetrate because they're basically a 9mm with a shitload more powder behind them, and .44s are fucking hand cannons.

Let's not forget the other high powered pistol rounds.

!
Like The .41 Magnum, 10mm, .454 Casull, .50AE, and the new .500S&W that brought the title of “words most powerful handgun” back to Smith and Wesson. :icon14:

Edit:

[lvlshot]http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_re ... _1103A.jpg[/lvlshot]

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_re ... ster_1103/

Edit 2: Ever better line up here:
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/grab_071405/

From left: .500 S&W, .500 Linebaugh, .50 AE, ,480 Ruger, .475 Linebaugh, .454 Casull, .445 SuperMag.

Post by **feedback** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:16 pm

BlueGene wrote:They both suck compared to the Desert Eagle.

[lvlshot]http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/articles/wallpaper/spacecowboy_0902/tokyo_marui_desert_eagle_.50_a.e._red_point.jpg[/lvlshot]

Not that I'd know, but apparently the DE is a shit gun that only people who play too much video games like.

Post by **Kills On Site** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:56 pm

From what I know the Desert Eagle is a nice weapon, just simply impractical for almost anyone. The only people I know who use DEs are for competition and I am pretty sure parts of the PBI are issued them becuase they can stop someone high on PCP without killing them. I much perfer a 9mm pistol as it is a common caliber, can be used in pistols and SMGs, has enough accuracy and power to be of great use, and you can usually fire 3 shots before needing to retarget. Also I think a 9mm would be easier to control if you were panicing, say somebody was trying to kill you.

Here is a good list, and picture, of handgun bullets, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_handgun_cartridges

Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:22 pm

9mm really is the white trash slut of the bullet world. It's a piss-poor caliber.

Post by **Scourge** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:37 am

Nightshade wrote:Well, I can't argue with that logic.

Claus, a lot of people hunt wild boar with handguns, but not the kind in this thread.

I've known people to hunt deer with a .44 magnum. It's very possible.

Post by **BlueGene** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:35 am

feedback wrote:
BlueGene wrote:They both suck compared to the Desert Eagle.

[lvlshot]http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/articles/wallpaper/spacecowboy_0902/tokyo_marui_desert_eagle_.50_a.e._red_point.jpg[/lvlshot]
Not that I'd know, but apparently the DE is a shit gun that only people who play too much video games like.

Yeah you are probably right, my comment is pretty much based on CS:S, handguns are pretty much banned in my country.

Post by **BlueGene** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:36 am

scourge34 wrote:
Nightshade wrote:Well, I can't argue with that logic.

Claus, a lot of people hunt wild boar with handguns, but not the kind in this thread.
I've known people to hunt deer with a .44 magnum. It's very possible.

No offense but are they rednecks?

Post by **Scourge** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:41 am

BlueGene wrote:
scourge34 wrote:
Nightshade wrote:Well, I can't argue with that logic.

Claus, a lot of people hunt wild boar with handguns, but not the kind in this thread.
I've known people to hunt deer with a .44 magnum. It's very possible.
No offense but are they rednecks?

Some yes, some no. Do you have any idea of the power of a .44 magnum? Also with the extended barrel they can be pretty accurate. Sorry but the handgun only good for killing people arguement is wrong. Mostly right, but they can be used for other things.