Purely hypothetical: HK USP vs. Walther P99

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:42 pm

Both are top-of-the-line guns, both are reportedly very accurate and reliable, but the Walther looks so much more comfortable to hold in your hand while the USP seems to be much more popular.

Edit:
We have very strict gun control laws over here, and I'm glad we have them. Nevertheless, I'm secretly a huge gun nut and can spend hours reading about guns.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:44 pm

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:46 pm

pistols r for pussies...

Post by **BlueGene** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:52 pm

They both suck compared to the Desert Eagle.

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Post by **seremtan** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:53 pm

you pull the trigger, bullets come out and hit the other guy. what more do you want?

Post by **BlueGene** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:54 pm

There is more to guns then that, recoil, accuracy, etc.

Post by **Dukester** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:55 pm

I dont really like hammerless pistols

Post by **Silicone_Milk** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:00 pm

if only the BFG were a real gun

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:01 pm

Are personal handguns legal in deutschland?

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:01 pm

no

edit: Unless you get a hunting license. Then you can own any handgun (but no more than 2) and hunting rifles (as many as you want, no semi-automatic rifles though. break-open and bolt-action only). Uzis and everything else that's full auto is WAY off limits.

Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:03 pm

Fire each of them if you can, and get the .40 if you go with the Walther. I'd get the HK in .45. Anything less indicates you're a complete fag0t.

Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:03 pm

BlueGene wrote:They both suck compared to the Desert Eagle.

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Care to elaborate?

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:06 pm

Nightshade wrote:Fire each of them if you can, and get the .40 if you go with the Walther. I'd get the HK in .45. Anything less indicates you're a complete fag0t.

both are said to be most precise and reliable in 9mm afaik?

why is a bigger caliber so important?

Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:09 pm

Would you rather have to shoot an attacker 5 or 6 times or only once? The .45 ACP is one of the best rounds out there when it comes to knock-down power. 9mms also tend to over-penetrate, so if you're using it inside you have a better chance of shooting through the thug and into little Petra in the next room.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:13 pm

I heard knock-down power was a myth?

Supposedly if a bullet had the strength to knock somebody down, it would knock the shooter down as well. (because of actio=reactio and all that jazz)

Post by **Dukester** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:15 pm

negative on both comments

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:15 pm

care to elaborate?

Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:17 pm

SplishSplash wrote:I heard knock-down power was a myth?

Supposedly if a bullet had the strength to knock somebody down, it would knock the shooter down as well. (because of actio=reactio and all that jazz)

Absolutely not, knock-down power is very real, and very important. Also, yes, the energies of the initial shot and the impact are close to equal (at relatively short distances) but recall that the pistol uses that energy to eject the shell casing and load another round. The springs in the weapon dissipate the energy.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:17 pm

Are you licensed, Splish?

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:20 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:Are you licensed, Splish?

Of course not. To get a hunting license you have to be crime-free for at least 3 generations and spend a fortune in time and money on the courses afaik. You get the idea.

A friend of my dad's was a hunter and that's how I got to shoot a few guns some years back but that's about it.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:21 pm

Nightshade wrote:Absolutely not, knock-down power is very real, and very important. Also, yes, the energies of the initial shot and the impact are close to equal (at relatively short distances) but recall that the pistol uses that energy to eject the shell casing and load another round. The springs in the weapon dissipate the energy.

That makes sense. ty

Post by **BlueGene** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:52 pm

Nightshade wrote:
BlueGene wrote:They both suck compared to the Desert Eagle.

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Care to elaborate?

No I’ll pass, since the only experience with guns I have is pellet guns when I was a kid and CS:S

Post by **Clauz** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:56 pm

Serious question: why the fuck would you hunt with a handgun?

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:00 pm

You're not supposed to hunt with a handgun.

You are allowed to have 2 for the purpose of killing animals that you have wounded with your rifle (you fucked up).
Also for hunting badgers, foxes, bunnies and everything else that you hunt by sending your dog into a hole and wait for your prey to come out of said hole.

Edit: That's what Dachshunds are for. Dachshund = german for "Badgerdog", used for hunting badgers.

Edit 2: Also trapping.

Post by **Clauz** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:01 pm

Got to be fucking kidding me.