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Captain Mazda wrote:http://guardianlv.com/2014/06/isis-trai ... overnment/
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/15 ... ashington/

Better, retards? Also, what constitutes a credible source for you? BBC? AP? I'm really curious where you enlightened cocksmokers get your misinformation from.
Why ?, what's yours ?, cos the 1st link bases its reporting on an unnamed Jordanian intelligence representative that surfaced from a government backed German tabloid and an article in the Guardian that is being carried by a lot of other major news networks, including the BBC that says we are providing aid with no connections to ISIS.

Then ofc there's the > opinion < of Chomsky who draws his conclusions about the collaboration with ISIS from the outcomes rather than fact, who also criticises western powers at every opportunity because of his ideological beliefs.
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Captain Mazda wrote:http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/15/382287/isil-natural-outgrowth-of-washington/
i don't know if you're bad at reading, or just bad at reading Chomsky. he isn't saying that the emergence of ISIS was a product of conscious planning, merely that the power vacuum created by the West basically destroying Iraq as a nation allowed for such a group to emerge. this is a commonplace view, not to mention a statement of the fucking obvious
Noam Chomsky wrote:The appearance of ISIS and the general spread of radical jihadism is a fairly natural outgrowth of Washington wielding its sledgehammer at the fragile society of Iraq.
"natural", that is to say, "occurring without conscious design"

also, did you bother to read the Reuters source for the Liberty Voice article? it doesn't say what the LV article is claiming at all, merely that some opposition groups to Assad were being trained in Jordan:
Jordanian intelligence services are involved in the program, which aims to build around a dozen units totaling some 10,000 fighters to the exclusion of radical Islamists.
now compare this with the LV article's version:
According to Jordanian intelligence sources, it is reported that the program is designed to create 10,000 fighters who will exclusively be a part of the ISIS group.
see the difference? another example of how a propensity for blatant lying isn't restricted to White House press spokespeople :dork:
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seremtan wrote:
Captain Mazda wrote:http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/15/382287/isil-natural-outgrowth-of-washington/
i don't know if you're bad at reading, or just bad at reading Chomsky. he isn't saying that the emergence of ISIS was a product of conscious planning, merely that the power vacuum created by the West basically destroying Iraq as a nation allowed for such a group to emerge. this is a commonplace view, not to mention a statement of the fucking obvious
“In my opinion, the ISIS (ISIL) is a construct of the CIA - look how they serve the aims of the United Sates; every time, they chop off a head they have another vote in Congress and more money tossed over,”
I was talking about this bit in my previous post, the rest of what he said is obviously what you had just mentioned.

With the Reuters article I just went straight to the source which was the German tabloid, that now looks like no news anyway :smirk:
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Was about to go and type something up but then Seremtan already destroyed that LV article i see, well done sir.

There's a certain inner peace to be found in reading sites like that, along the lines of 'look how all the sheeple fall for the obvious propaganda, all of them... except for me'. But it's all mostly bullshit in the end isn't it.

I like a bit of a conspiracy theory now and again, but jesus these guys need to put more effort in.
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Oh yes, this guy (remember him?) has some good articles about IS: http://pando.com/author/garybrecher/

Go read his stuff if you're craving a source with an alternative viewpoint, he actually thinks before he writes.
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losCHUNK wrote:
“In my opinion, the ISIS (ISIL) is a construct of the CIA - look how they serve the aims of the United Sates; every time, they chop off a head they have another vote in Congress and more money tossed over,”
I was talking about this bit in my previous post, the rest of what he said is obviously what you had just mentioned
not sure what you're trying to say here, but re-read the article where the above quote came from. it's not a quote from Chomsky, it's a quote from "US journalist and activist Don DeBar", and it gives his "opinion"

if it was my opinion that Mazda's mum was a fatty boombatty lard-muffin with a vagina like a canoe, would that make it true?

(ok, bad example...)
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Ahh I just skip scanned and paid attention to the quotes. Why I said earlier Chomsky gave his opinion when all he really said is what every media outlet is.
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Ryoki wrote:Oh yes, this guy (remember him?) has some good articles about IS: http://pando.com/author/garybrecher/

Go read his stuff if you're craving a source with an alternative viewpoint, he actually thinks before he writes.
this is great, and so on the money: http://pando.com/2014/09/28/the-war-ner ... -at-a-map/

people forget that the guys heading over there to fight for IS from the UK - for example - aren't battle-hardened combat veterans straight out of the SAS or the Royal Marines; they're just kids from the suburbs, whose sole experience of 'combat' up to this point has been playing MW2 on Playstation. give the Kurds some decent weapons and they'd crush these twisted gimps in no time
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And once the Kurds are done with ISIS, they do a 180 (literally) and continue terrorizing Turkey like they've done for years. The Middle-East is such a fucked up wasps nest that there is no way to do things right.
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seremtan wrote:if you answered ISIS, you're a massive retard

seriously, kill yourself now and spare the gene pool
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Eraser wrote:And once the Kurds are done with ISIS, they do a 180 (literally) and continue terrorizing Turkey like they've done for years. The Middle-East is such a fucked up wasps nest that there is no way to do things right.
that's how the US makes money, find em, sell em, profit, bomb em, sell em again

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Eraser wrote:
scared? wrote:Besides the religious moronics From ISIS, they ain't that bad... The destruction they give out is far less brutal than what the Americans have done....
If ISIS had nukes they'd have used 'em by now. It's not a case of Won't, it's a case of Can't.

What? Why? That doesn't make any sense.
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Eraser wrote:And once the Kurds are done with ISIS, they do a 180 (literally) and continue terrorizing Turkey like they've done for years. The Middle-East is such a fucked up wasps nest that there is no way to do things right.
It seems like they're terrorizing Turkey as much as Palestinians are terrorizing Israel.
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Eraser wrote:And once the Kurds are done with ISIS, they do a 180 (literally) and continue terrorizing Turkey like they've done for years. The Middle-East is such a fucked up wasps nest that there is no way to do things right.
lol no, every Turk's bumhole is literally a buffer zone for the US to launch jets at Iran.
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seremtan wrote:i don't know if you're bad at reading, or just bad at reading Chomsky. he isn't saying that the emergence of ISIS was a product of conscious planning, merely that the power vacuum created by the West basically destroying Iraq as a nation allowed for such a group to emerge. this is a commonplace view, not to mention a statement of the fucking obvious
Everything about the mere existence of ISIS plays out into the hands of the US and the Saudi tyrants, must be some kind of Michael Bay deus-ex machina vacuum :dork:
We are told that ISIS masked psychopaths captured “arms and ammunition from the fleeing security forces” - arms and ammunition supplied by the American government. The offensive coincides with a successful campaign by ISIS in eastern Syria. According to Iraqi journalists, Sunni tribal chiefs in the region had been convinced to side with ISIS against the Shiite Al-Maliki government in Baghdad. They were promised a better deal under ISIS Sunni Sharia than with Baghdad anti-Sunni rule.

According to the New York Times, the mastermind behind the ISIS military success is former Baath Party head and Saddam Hussein successor, General Ibrahim al-Douri. Douri is reportedly the head of the Iraqi rebel group Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order as well as the Supreme Command for Jihad and Liberation based on his longstanding positions of leadership in the Naqshbandi sect in Iraq.

In 2009, US ‘Iraqi surge’ General David Petraeus, at the time heading the US Central Command, claimed to reporters that Douri was in Syria. Iraqi parliamentarians claimed he was in Qatar. The curious fact is that despite being on the US most wanted list since 2003, Douri has miraculously managed to avoid capture and now to return with a vengeance to retake huge parts of Sunni Iraq. Luck or well-placed friends in Washington?

The financial backing for ISIS jihadists reportedly also comes from three of the closest US allies in the Sunni world—Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
http://rt.com/op-edge/168064-isis-terro ... a-cia-war/
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Ever since the creation of democratic nations – where public opinion somewhat matters – the political class is faced with a dilemma: War is needed to gain power, riches, and control, but the general public has a tendency to be against it. What to do? The answer was found decades ago and is still used successfully today: Create an enemy so terrifying that the masses will beg their government to go to war.

This is why ISIS exists. This is why the beheading videos are so “well-produced” and publicized worldwide through mainstream media. This is why news sources regularly come up with alarmist headlines about ISIS. They are used to serve the best interests of the world elite. The current objectives are: Sway public opinion to favor the invasion of countries in the Middle East, provide a pretext for “coalition” intervention across the world, and manufacture a domestic threat that will be used to take away rights and increase surveillance. In short, ISIS is yet another instance of the age-old tactic of creating a terrifying enemy to scare the masses.
http://topinfopost.com/2014/10/12/isis- ... a-creation
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http://topinfopost.com/2014/09/23/iraqi ... by-the-cia
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if only you applied the same rigorous skepticism toward articles like that this that you do toward the mainstream media
The curious fact is that despite being on the US most wanted list since 2003, Douri has miraculously managed to avoid capture and now to return with a vengeance to retake huge parts of Sunni Iraq. Luck or well-placed friends in Washington?
a rhetorical question isn't a fact. the author simply doesn't know one way or the other how he avoided capture - but that doesn't help his narrative, so he implies
The financial backing for ISIS jihadists reportedly also comes from three of the closest US allies in the Sunni world—Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
from their governments, and with the full knowledge and support of the US, or from rich Kuwaiti, Qatari and Saudi individuals without that knowledge of support? the author doesn't know this either - but once again this doesn't help his narrative, so more implying
Key members of ISIS it now emerges were trained by US CIA and Special Forces command at a secret camp in Jordan in 2012, according to informed Jordanian officials.
"officials said..."

Robert Fisk does a great hatchet job on the "officials said" school of spoon-fed journalism. perhaps you should go find it and read it
Advertised publicly as training of ‘non-extremist’ Muslim jihadists to wage war against the Syrian Bashar Assad regime, the secret US training camps in Jordan and elsewhere have trained perhaps several thousand Muslim fighters in techniques of irregular warfare, sabotage and general terror. The claims by Washington that they took special care not to train ‘Salafist’ or jihadist extremists, is a joke. How do you test if a recruit is not a jihadist? Is there a special jihad DNA that the CIA doctors have discovered?
these training camps are apparently both "advertised publicly" and "secret" according to the author. given that their existence has been reported on before (as the Reuters article linked on the first page of this thread mentions) I'm gonna go with "advertised". The word "secret" here is a dog-whistle term designed to catch the attention of conspiracy theorists (successfully, if you're anything to go by). on this occasion it primes the reader to accept unquestioningly the author's claims about "[training]... in techniques of irregular warfare, sabotage and general terror" (how does he know this what they're being trained in, if these camps are "secret"?) and to switch off their critical faculties when faced with yet another rhetorical question ("jihad DNA")
Former US State Department official Andrew Doran wrote in the conservative National Review magazine that some ISIS warriors also hold US passports. Now, of course that doesn’t demonstrate support by the Obama Administration. Hmm...
No, it doesn't. In the same way driving down to Tijuana to get shitfaced on tequila on a US passport doesn't "demonstrate support" by the Obama administration. Because it doesn't. Hmm... indeed.

this is just shit journalism. if the same kind of question-begging, inductive-collage-making, officials-said-ist claptrap had appeared in the pages of the same National Review mentioned above, you'd dismiss it as obvious propaganda

and don't even get me started on this turd of an article: http://topinfopost.com/2014/10/12/isis- ... a-creation
Shot in high-def, with perfect cinematic lightening, the beheading videos are setup to generate a visceral feeling of horror and terror.
as opposed to those beheading videos setup to generate mellow feelings of calm and well-being...
Its name: Islamic State in Syria, or ISIS. The name itself is symbolic and revealing. Why is an “Islamic” group named after an Ancient Egyptian goddess? Perhaps because it is a favorite figure of the occult elite – the true culprits that are behind the horrors of ISIS.
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lol, you should join them.

Since you're so quick to dismiss the fact they are just another band of CIA-trained terrorists designed to destabilize Syria and eventually attack Iran, where's your magical source proving they're not?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/15 ... e-on-isil/
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In June, Prime Minister David Cameron warned that British nationals working with ISIL are the biggest threat to Britain’s security as they may return to carry out attacks in their homeland.
Coming soon: British police state 2.0. You won't be able to walk down the street and catch a glimpse of the kids playing in the park anymore :olo:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/17 ... s-treason/
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Captain Mazda wrote:Since you're so quick to dismiss the fact they are just another band of CIA-trained terrorists designed to destabilize Syria and eventually attack Iran, where's your magical source proving they're not?
you're making the claim, the onus is on you to provide 'proof'
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Captain Mazda wrote:
In June, Prime Minister David Cameron warned that British nationals working with ISIL are the biggest threat to Britain’s security as they may return to carry out attacks in their homeland.
Coming soon: British police state 2.0. You won't be able to walk down the street and catch a glimpse of the kids playing in the park anymore :olo:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/17 ... s-treason/
Medieval law brought to your attention by Conservative back bencher Philip Hollobone - the guy who tried to ban the burka, re introduce the death penalty and bring back national service.

Yep, this holds weight :dork:

Or it could be a treason law that has been amended throughout the ages, like in 1998, that Philip Hammond is talking about which was raised in other high profile cases like the removal of Abu Hamza from Britain and the attempted prosecution of Arnhem Choudary, both of which being within this decade and falling flat on their arses when placed in a courtroom. Yep, that makes sense.
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I do believe ISIL returners pose a serious threat their respective homeland.
Think about it, they survived a war like that with such insane leaders. My bet is they will be PTSS'd like hell and brainwashed to the extreme to stay with the fanatic force as long as possible. What is left is the perfect bomber.
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Memphis wrote:/in b4 alex jones vid
Unlike Geoff, I think Alex Jones is a character drawn up to spout off mindless horseshit and lump his idiocy and sensationalism with anyone who doesn't believe "the official story" and discredit them.

Then again, Obama and Cameron are such honest, good-natured people working for the most transparent organizations in the world with absolutely no political or theological agendas to twist their intentions.
Ferrao10 wrote:I do believe ISIL returners pose a serious threat their respective homeland.
Think about it, they survived a war like that with such insane leaders. My bet is they will be PTSS'd like hell and brainwashed to the extreme to stay with the fanatic force as long as possible. What is left is the perfect bomber.
That's a good point, maybe you can think about that when you're drinking your daily state-sanctioned anti-terrorism mouthwash and going through fully-armed security checkpoints at every Starbucks.

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