King Kong
Physics in the context of the fantasy (big ape and all), and how things in that world work except when they deviate extremely from just basic common sense stuff. For instance, having the girl flung around with such force that it would kill anyone, but she is just scared and doesnt have a bruise or a scratch on her. It was poorly done, and they should have taken such things into consideration. The same goes with the pathetic pole vaulting scene, the ways the guys punched out the velociraptor, the guy not being able to hit the worm thing with a machette when its right next to him, etc., etc. Hell, every interaction and physics-related thing was just ridiculous. Given our abilities to make good movies and be aware of these things these days, I'm not impressed with the efforts behind King Kong. All it was was a good looking film...thats it. Beyond that it was poorly acted (except for Jack Black), the lines were cheezy, the physics were fucked up, the basic human reactions to things happening and the human interactions were just plain unreal...it was a joke. I think there's no real excuse for this given the clear ability these days to do such things properly, and especially given the high caliber/budget film this was supposed to be. I'm not looking for perfection at all, but this was beyond ridiculous. I'm under the belief that Peter Jackson only made LOTR well because the story and dialogue were already there for him to work off of. In creating his own movie he just fucked it...Jackal wrote:lol bad physics is called having an impossibly large ape.
Sorry, I've been out all day. Thanks all for the comments. Well, about the only times I go to the cinema is for big special effects movies. I absolutely loved all the jurassic park films, so I'm definitely gonna see this. It's obviously a throwaway popcorn munching movie like godzilla was, but that's fine by me :icon14:
King Kong was entertaining, although definitely excessive.
Bring on the bullshit, but I agree with Canis: the ape and the dinosaurs are accepted through willing suspension of disbelief, but beyond that things ought to be consistent. When the Captain made Kong scream and fall over with a harpoon, I thought "why didn't being mauled by V. Rexes do that?" You can argue with the semantics of what Canis said, but the point isn't general plausibility -- because a giant ape is not plausible -- the problem is that this breaks, for no apparent reason, from even the implausible reality constructed by the movie. The bottom line is the harpoon wasn't necessary, they should have just had Kong get knocked out by the chloroform 15 seconds earlier.
I got pretty sick of the grainy slo-mo zooming "Peter Jackson cam" too.
I thought the new relationship between Ann & Kong was a definite improvement, as was the fleshed-out Ann-Jack relationship (I haven't seen the original since I was about 5 or 6 though, so my ideas of what's different vs the same may be skewed).
The fight between Kong and the T Rexes was very impressive, and the spider pit was perfectly nasty. (Some of those insects were downright offensive to look at; Christ they were gross.) While I do enjoy Jack Black, I often think that he doesn't deliver his lines that well because he sounds unsure how much of his trademark intensity to inject into them. Naomi Watts was excellent though, and Adrien Brody was good, if understated in his performance.
Overall I thought they should have shaved about 25 minutes off the movie to cut it down to a respectable 2 and a half hours. It's still well worth seeing on the big screen, however. I was sad to read that it only made two thirds of the expected amount on opening weekend.
Bring on the bullshit, but I agree with Canis: the ape and the dinosaurs are accepted through willing suspension of disbelief, but beyond that things ought to be consistent. When the Captain made Kong scream and fall over with a harpoon, I thought "why didn't being mauled by V. Rexes do that?" You can argue with the semantics of what Canis said, but the point isn't general plausibility -- because a giant ape is not plausible -- the problem is that this breaks, for no apparent reason, from even the implausible reality constructed by the movie. The bottom line is the harpoon wasn't necessary, they should have just had Kong get knocked out by the chloroform 15 seconds earlier.
I got pretty sick of the grainy slo-mo zooming "Peter Jackson cam" too.
I thought the new relationship between Ann & Kong was a definite improvement, as was the fleshed-out Ann-Jack relationship (I haven't seen the original since I was about 5 or 6 though, so my ideas of what's different vs the same may be skewed).
The fight between Kong and the T Rexes was very impressive, and the spider pit was perfectly nasty. (Some of those insects were downright offensive to look at; Christ they were gross.) While I do enjoy Jack Black, I often think that he doesn't deliver his lines that well because he sounds unsure how much of his trademark intensity to inject into them. Naomi Watts was excellent though, and Adrien Brody was good, if understated in his performance.
Overall I thought they should have shaved about 25 minutes off the movie to cut it down to a respectable 2 and a half hours. It's still well worth seeing on the big screen, however. I was sad to read that it only made two thirds of the expected amount on opening weekend.
You guys are just being typical anal-retentive nerds. Suspension of disbelief my ass. If you can take a giant ape and dinosaurs you should be able to swallow everything else as well. Think about it. They're on a relatively small island, and there's no way the animal population would be sufficient to keep all of those creatures alive. None of the movie made sense because ITS A FUCKING MOVIE. About a giant ape that falls in love with a woman at that!.
Actually the island was quite large, but still, you're a bit too defensive here. Just discuss the criticism and quit acting like someone's fucking you up the ass.Jackal wrote:You guys are just being typical anal-retentive nerds. Suspension of disbelief my ass. If you can take a giant ape and dinosaurs you should be able to swallow everything else as well. Think about it. They're on a relatively small island, and there's no way the animal population would be sufficient to keep all of those creatures alive. None of the movie made sense because ITS A FUCKING MOVIE. About a giant ape that falls in love with a woman at that!.
I am discussing the criticism. Did you not read that post?Canis wrote:Actually the island was quite large, but still, you're a bit too defensive here. Just discuss the criticism and quit acting like someone's fucking you up the ass.Jackal wrote:You guys are just being typical anal-retentive nerds. Suspension of disbelief my ass. If you can take a giant ape and dinosaurs you should be able to swallow everything else as well. Think about it. They're on a relatively small island, and there's no way the animal population would be sufficient to keep all of those creatures alive. None of the movie made sense because ITS A FUCKING MOVIE. About a giant ape that falls in love with a woman at that!.
Yeah, and the conclusion to be drawn from what you said is that if the CG creatures stood up suddently in the middle of the movie and started dancing in a conga line + playing instruments, that'd be fine.Jackal wrote:I am discussing the criticism. Did you not read that post?
Alright I'll make it a tad easier: What you said was fucking retarded.
On the level though, I think you misunderstand what's being said. Having a film divorced from reality isn't the same thing as having a film resting on inconsistencies. Taking down kong with a harpoon would be fine, but having that stand contrary to the earlier scene with the dinos is what suspension of disbelief doesn't cover.
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No, you're being a jackass about it...Jackal wrote:I am discussing the criticism. Did you not read that post?Canis wrote:Actually the island was quite large, but still, you're a bit too defensive here. Just discuss the criticism and quit acting like someone's fucking you up the ass.Jackal wrote:You guys are just being typical anal-retentive nerds. Suspension of disbelief my ass. If you can take a giant ape and dinosaurs you should be able to swallow everything else as well. Think about it. They're on a relatively small island, and there's no way the animal population would be sufficient to keep all of those creatures alive. None of the movie made sense because ITS A FUCKING MOVIE. About a giant ape that falls in love with a woman at that!.
EDIT: @Jackal
Attempting to turn my views into black and white just overlooks the view I'm putting accross. Like I said previously, I'm not looking for perfection, but the rather ridiculous physics and other aspects in this film prevented me from being drawn into the film and as such I didnt enjoy it. Yeah, I do expect them to get the physics correct these days, be the movie about an ape, a kangaroo, a blimp, or alien worlds, or what have you. If not it just becomes stupid, and hence, unenjoyable.
Attempting to turn my views into black and white just overlooks the view I'm putting accross. Like I said previously, I'm not looking for perfection, but the rather ridiculous physics and other aspects in this film prevented me from being drawn into the film and as such I didnt enjoy it. Yeah, I do expect them to get the physics correct these days, be the movie about an ape, a kangaroo, a blimp, or alien worlds, or what have you. If not it just becomes stupid, and hence, unenjoyable.
canis, you fucked your own argument up by mentioning logical physics and all that bullshit. As soon as you did that, you opened the door to all manner of criticism. The simple truth is that you were annoyed by one or more overt inconsistencies within the film, and that's all you should have said. Any more and you're just giving trolls room to latch on.
I never fucked my argument, but mentioned specifically how it irritated me. I shouldnt have done anything different, and beyond it I dont need to be lectured to about how to argue. How difficult is it to understand that in the context of the fantasy there are specifics that can be so damn ridiculous that it ruins the fantasy? This is the reason why the original King Kong is hard to get involved in. The realism just isnt there that allows you to get drawn into the depicted fantasy. In the context of a big ape found on a mysterious island there are things that can fit that world, and one isnt (in this movie) making the main chick suddenly become "superhuman" such that she survives forces that would obviously rip her arms off or batter her to death several times over, and then to have these events going on and on and on and on....as such its overdone and stupid. Additionally, to have a dinosaur stampede end up in a dinosaur pile...it looked like a monsterous organic version of the end of the police chase in The Blues Brothers. There's no way that can continue the fantasy...it just kills it, and this killing occured in many aspects of the film, and many, many times during the film.sliver wrote:canis, you fucked your own argument up by mentioning logical physics and all that bullshit. As soon as you did that, you opened the door to all manner of criticism. The simple truth is that you were annoyed by one or more overt inconsistencies within the film, and that's all you should have said. Any more and you're just giving trolls room to latch on.