israel vs iran...

Post by **Freakaloin** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:45 am

hmmm...gets popcorn...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 74,00.html

Post by **Dukester** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:51 am

hmm they did it to Iraq many moons ago...

nothing happened then.

at least not anything immediately.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:54 am

i'm pretty sure iran would counterattack in a huge way...

Post by **Dukester** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:00 am

I'm pretty sure they are just as big a bunch of pussies as Iraq was at the time. The only counter attack they know is strapping a bomb to a teenager and killing a bunch of civies in a pizza parlor.

Israel, if you haven't figured it out yet, has been our basic frontline of defense in the middle east against this kind of shit for 40 years. Just my op

Post by **Dave** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:01 am

I glossed over the article until I came to

Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA.

Particularly the terms 'cross border' and 'established.' Israel has this way of not knowing when to leave

Post by **Dave** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:03 am

Dukester wrote:I'm pretty sure they are just as big a bunch of pussies as Iraq was at the time. The only counter attack they know is strapping a bomb to a teenager and killing a bunch of civies in a pizza parlor.

Isreal, if you haven't figured it out yet, has been our basic frontline of defense in the middle east against this kind of shit for 40 years. Just my op

You should ask yourself what are the reasons behind why a bunch of pussies are blowing themselves up.

Start here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058946/

Post by **Dukester** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:13 am

okay I asked, but since I don't want to be compared to MidnightQ4, I won't respond

Post by **Dave** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:15 am

Well, if you can back up your beliefs without sounding like an idiot, then go ahead. It's about proving your argument, not expounding someone elses.

Post by **Dukester** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:19 am

I can't back up my beliefs in a true intellectual arguement. Nor can I back them up on this message board where I would be outnumbered, whatever number to one. I only know I believe what I believe about that situation there. And it has nothing to do with any of the other science or intelligent design arguements that go on here.

that's why I gave up so quickly.

Post by **Canis** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:47 am

Most countries are a bunch of pussies. I doubt anything these days would escalate to the scale of war that WWII is depicted as. Most "conflicts" these days are shown as not having much full-scale dedication from multiple parties. Rather, one main country takes it head on and the others just have a small chunk of support to show they played a part.

Post by **Grudge** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:45 am

Israel are establishing bases in Iraq? wtf?

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:40 am

Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA.

wtf indeed.

Post by **Ryoki** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:44 am

Not so wtf, northern iraq is Kurd territory, and the Kurds have chosen their side.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:46 am

Remember this for future reference.

All groups represented in Iraq resent Israel. Few generalizations seem to fit as well as this one.

Post by **Ryoki** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:53 am

The Kurds have their own agenda, and Israel and the US are momentarily in a position that is of use to them. Think about it, Israeli bases in Northern Iraq actually makes perfect sense.

Post by **Grudge** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:31 am

I don't see how this would benefit anyone.

Post by **Ryoki** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:43 am

The Kurds greatest wish is their own nation, choosing the right side in this conflict may just make it happen...

But if you ask me they're betting on the wrong horse.

Post by **seremtan** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:06 pm

remember how when the iranian president said israel should be moved to europe, this got an immediate condemnation reported in the press?

the glaring omission from that times piece is any kind of reaction (from anyone), which is a little odd. it's understandable the US and UK should keep schtum since israel does nothing like this without permission from washington, and an israeli attack would in effect be a proxy attack by the US. which makes sense given that another middle eastern war would be extremely unpopular in the US and UK right now, especially one driven by 'evidence' about WMDs

Post by **busetibi** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:26 pm

lol,
Israel could bitch slap Iran back to the stone age(to borrow a saying) anytime it wanted and those fuckheads know it.
fkn mind games from the Iranians, kinda reminds me of NK

Post by **seremtan** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:30 pm

FUCK YEAH!

Post by **Freakaloin** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:53 pm

u guys underestimate a russian equiped iran. they already have a shitload of sunfire cruise missiles (which the us or israel do not have a counter against). those missiles can sink the biggest ships and fuck up land targets...iran also controls all the oil out of the region...

iran is about 1000x more powerful military wise then iraq was 3 years ago...

Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:24 pm

Grudge wrote:I don't see how this would benefit anyone.

It will certainly benefit Israel, especially when they attack Iran as they did Iraq in 1981. Which, you'll recall, they did to eliminate Iraq's first nuclear reactor at Osirak. Then, when the Israelis squeal for help, the US will attack Iran.
I'm just wondering whether this will happen before the manufactured "Gulf of Tonkin" event will take place on the Syrian border.

Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:26 pm

seremtan wrote: it's understandable the US and UK should keep schtum since israel does nothing like this without permission from washington, and an israeli attack would in effect be a proxy attack by the US.

I think you have this master/slave relationship backwards.

Post by **seremtan** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:44 pm

Nightshade wrote:
seremtan wrote: it's understandable the US and UK should keep schtum since israel does nothing like this without permission from washington, and an israeli attack would in effect be a proxy attack by the US.
I think you have this master/slave relationship backwards.

tbh, i'm not that convinced by the tail-wagging-the-dog theory. israel has only been america's big stick in the middle east since 1967, when they proved they could do the business, and israeli settlement building and defence is utterly dependent on US aid and weapons imports

sure, there's AIPAC and all those fundamentalist crazies with their apocalyptic eretz israel nonsense, and the US *does* let israel run on a pretty long leash (USS Liberty incident springs to mind), but economically speaking the US has israel by the gonads

i could buy the theory if the US had some war guilt over the death camps (i mean, more than the dealings of herbert walker bush and IBM) or some other plausible motive but under the circumstances...

i'm open to persuasion though, if you've got any links etc