Would you say this is cheating?

Post by **dzjepp** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:57 pm

If these are done via in-game commands, that are not flagged by punkbuster as cheats on any servers?

Post by **weeman7007** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:05 pm

can't see wat i'm looking at to be honest

Post by **Survivor** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:13 pm

Seeing the ra through the cracks? I think it makes you vulnerable if you have to align it like that.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:15 pm

what fov are those taken at? I remember something about this a few years back and some servers restricted fov ranges as a result iirc

Post by **^misantropia^** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:30 pm

Doesn't this have to do with the LOD of patches? The PB servers I play on clamp these to a reasonable range.

Post by **Fjoggs** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:44 pm

Yes, it's the lod. And if you actually stop to waste your time looking through those, then be my guest.

Post by **Bacon** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:35 pm

Fjoggs wrote:Yes, it's the lod. And if you actually stop to waste your time looking through those, then be my guest.

Yeah thats true except in threewave, all railing in big maps and this would probably give a nice advantage

Post by **I cant spell u** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:25 am

That doesnt look like cheating, that looks like quake 2....

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:36 am

dz's a camper.

Post by **Eraser** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:30 am

I dunno but I thought lod was resticted within Quake 3 quite some time ago already, before the days of PB even, just to prevent this sort of "cheating".

Post by **Oeloe** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:12 am

Yes, exploiting the unintended effects of certain values of cvars is cheating. Things like adjusting view bobbing to be able to look through floors can all be prevented by restricting the allowed range of cvars with PB.

I don't understand though why the uppermost values (highest quality) of LOD and subdivisions are forbidden. Perhaps cheating is possible in that range too, although i can't imagine how...

Post by **dzjepp** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:01 pm

I would like to test this. Someone point me to a server that restricts lod commands via pb. Let's see if I get kicked.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:07 pm

who's got time to peek through cracks? get to strafin'.

Post by **Cooldown** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:04 am

The following settings are enforced for internet play under OSP:

r_lodcurveerror must be set to 250
r_fullbright must be set to 0
r_subdivisions must be no greater than 80
r_znear must be set to 4
r_shownormals must be set to 0
r_showtris must be set to 0

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:38 am

in the context of a duel, such an exploit would be seriously abusive.

Post by **jester!** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:41 pm

r_subdivisions must be no greater than 80

Thats the one that will get you, there are some crazy flaws you can find with that set 100+.

Cheat? Its pretty iffy thats for sure. I would fall back on the old crutch that if anyone can use it and its in engine its not a cheat, but its a pretty weak argument when you can in some spots look through walls...