Is there actually a reason for no mp bots?

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Is there actually a reason for no mp bots?

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Could they just not be bothered?
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Human resources, deadline, and time constraints.

Obviously.
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Post by shiznit »

I heard it was not possible on the pc, the 360 should have bots.
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Post by Jenny »

Raven could have very easily added bots, so perhaps they delayed adding bots in an attempt to intice more people to try online play, its quite addictive u know :icon29:
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shiznit wrote:I heard it was not possible on the pc, the 360 should have bots.
Dont be stupid, thats leaning. Everybody knows that leaning is impossible in First person games. Willits said so.
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Post by R. Tetzlaff »

Maybe we get bost later with a point release.
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Post by ^misantropia^ »

Jenny wrote:Raven could have very easily added bots
Do you have any idea what a bitch it is to write a good MP bot?
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Post by shiznit »

No I don't think you guys understand it because you don't know how it works. I do because I understand how it all works. Remember id software could not get co-op on the pc but could get it on the xbox? Same thing here, it’s simply impossible for Raven to do it. Computers are simply not smart enough, maybe if we had skynet.
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Post by dzjepp »

Sarcasm?
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Post by Jenny »

^misantropia^ wrote:
Jenny wrote:Raven could have very easily added bots
Do you have any idea what a bitch it is to write a good MP bot?
Yes. (i'm not implying they're easy to make)
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Post by Eraser »

who needs bots anyway? why play a bot when there's a whole community out there to play against?
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Post by Fjoggs »

Thats stupid Eraser and you know it. :p
Not everyone has a good connection.
Also, we need bots for all the custom maps we create that no one gives a shit about.
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And for playing while our connection is under heavy use :ninja:
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Post by Doomcore »

And just for practicing....
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Post by ajerara »

yeah, I think the bots are really helpful for level development, helps you see where to optimise and stuff. waiting for the oak Bots to come out for Q4. Maybe I'll trundle on over there now and see if there's any news.
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Post by inolen »

It seems like a lot of work for a very small percentage of people who will actually miss them.
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Post by R00k »

I don't care for playing bots, but I'm sure there are people who do.

If Raven or id looked at the online servers to get an idea, they probably decided nobody uses them since they're disabled on most good servers.
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Post by Foo »

Yeah but bots are for offline play primarily.

Being able to have a deathmatch in single player adds a whole extra element to the game, besides the single player campaign. It's seperate from the online multiplayer in terms of gameplay because bots are fun, just not in the same way as playing online.

Also, you can't judge how popular bots are in most games, because they're primarily played against offline.
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Post by R00k »

Yea, that was kinda my point. :)
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Post by S@M »

although if you want to get familiar with online play, its good to have a bot or two to go against so you can sus out the play online with the impact of ping, rather than in sp....
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Post by Madvil »

Cause human opponents are more challenging....
....well most of the time :p
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Post by Foo »

R00k wrote:Yea, that was kinda my point. :)
I just reread your post and I really missed the gist of what you were saying, sorry :icon32:
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Post by Kat »

inolen wrote:It seems like a lot of work for a very small percentage of people who will actually miss them.
I'd say it's the other way around... if you think about the number of units that Quake 3 shifted compared to the number of players that were online at any given moment, you'd be looking at max 10% of units sold (specualtive observation of course). What are the other 90% doing [insert smutty joke here]?
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Post by Wizard .3 »

Kat wrote:
inolen wrote:It seems like a lot of work for a very small percentage of people who will actually miss them.
I'd say it's the other way around... if you think about the number of units that Quake 3 shifted compared to the number of players that were online at any given moment, you'd be looking at max 10% of units sold (specualtive observation of course). What are the other 90% doing [insert smutty joke here]?
Well it's not like all 100% of the people who bought Q3 are playing at the same time. You could say that 10% are playing online, 85% aren't playing, and 5% playing offline at any given moment. It's hard to estimate how many people actually play with bots.
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