Two degrees of Zarqawi-ation

[[FTF]Pyro]

Dave in all seriousness


take 47 minutes out your life and watch this


Maybe then you'll get a clearer indication of what is going on/



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4556113.stm
webpage

watch the video in full its right at the top under Galloways Testimony

[[FTF]Pyro]

excerpt


Committee documents show Bush political friends and family paid
Oil-for-Food kickbacks to Saddam Hussein


The total sum in kickbacks from George W. Bush's cousin-in-laws to Saddam's bank accounts: $1,294,620.


George Galloway was correct when he called the Coleman Committee the "mother of all smoke screens." Major political contributors and friends of Bush not only paid illegal kickbacks to Saddam Hussein but personally profited from sanctions-busting with Iraq. Those involved in the scheme included individuals who date back to the Reagan/Bush 41 "cluster bombs and biological and chemical weapons-for-oil" scandal of the 1980s. Galloway is correct when he stated that there is enough evidence on Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair and their neocon advisers to park them in prison cells in The Hague for an awfully long time.

[[FTF]Pyro]

that is unless you believe that the BBC and Galloway are the liars :icon27:

[Dave]

Sorry pyro, you may have had some worthwhile points, but I stopped reading after "fag"

[[FTF]Pyro]

Sorry pyro, you may have had some worthwhile points, but I stopped reading after "fag"

Meh. Who cares. You wanna walk around in a daze being a good consumer, spending money on shit you dont need to satisfy a self inflicted wound that you carry around like a bad conscience not my porblem.....


I'm alive, I see whats happening. Thats really all I care about.....



bet you still read the post though. Admit it. its okay. I was once an ignoramis too Dave.


Follow the White Rabbit Dave.... Run its getting away. Which pill you wanna take? The Red or the Blue.


Choose any euphamisn you want..............

[Dave]

Nope, I didn't read your post, but I read seremtan's

[Guest]

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Point2Reminder: Gulf War I was in 1991, Rummy met with Saddam in 1983.


...... Duhuck..... :icon27: ..... Reminder ...... Who was Ronald Reagan's Vice President........Ding ding ding....Vice President: George H. W. Bush.


Who was ronald reagans national security advisor just before the gulf war....... Ding ding ding..... From 1987 to '89, Secretary of State Colin Powell was appointed as President Reagan's security adviser in the wake of the Iran-Contra scandal. . His last assignment, from October 1, 1989 to September 30, 1993, was as the 12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the Department of Defense. During this time, he oversaw 28 crises, including Operation Desert Storm in the victorious 1991 Persian Gulf war.



Who was on the national security council during the first gulf war ..... ding ding ding.......Condoleeza Rice-1989 Appointed to National Security Council by George HW Bush. Bush, introducing Rice to Gorbachev: "This is Condoleezza Rice. She tells me everything I know about the Soviet Union."



So yeah.... tell me some more about history and how nothing ties in again. :icon27:


Point 3In the years following the Gulf War, the UN implemented sancations against Iraq. Saddam and his cronies chose to continue living high on the hog and allowed their fellow citizens, the people they're supposed to defend, to wallow in misery. (And they had help doing it (oil for food, anyone?...)).

What are you talking about. Iraq was once one of the regions shining stars with public school, medical and social security systems paid for by oil exports. That is until sanctions, led by The US and the UK and passed by the UN "Security Council" (See the US and UK puppet council) was implemented. The Sanctions which DIRECTLY allowed for the exportation of oil in RETURN for 50 to 60 CENTS per Iraqi per day. That is to cover ALL FOOD, CLOTHES, EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE, SOCIAL SYSTEM, PENSIONS, MEDICINES, DOCTORS, HOSPITALS, EVERYTHING.

We stole oil and at the same time paid WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY under the market value for the stuff that we actually bought in the OIL for AID program. Not to mention that everyday during the period 1992 - 2003 (See end of gulf war 1 and begining of gulf war 2) we bombed iraq and its infrastructure on a daily basis.

So tell me again DAVE, How is Saddam to blame for this????? answer me that..... Saddwam, whe's an evwil mwan..... Fucking joke Dave and to be perfectly honest if you are going to form opinions on a subject, base it on facts rather than a load of shit tha tyou saw on CNN or FOX..... oh and that directly relates you = moron see Point 1




point 4So your disingenuous attempt to trace the death figures you posted directly to 1983 is summarily retarded and ignores all the history between 1990 and the fall of Saddam. Way to toss the Afghanistan figure into your little additions as well.


See above cause quite frankly dave...... well I said it once, I'll say it again. your a moron.

Also Madeleine Albright is a cunt

Dont disagree

There you go Dave...no excuse now. It's funny cause he's right, you're wrong, and you're just blatantly refusing to admit it.

[Dave]

oddly enough, this is exactly what i was thinking about your responses

When I see someone conveniently ignoring part of a story, I point it out. I made no claims one way or the other except to imply that it seems some people intentionally gloss over evidence, as if they don't want to see the forest because of a few ugly trees are blocking their view.

In other words, stop focusing on a few ugly trees like George Bush I and II and look at the whole picture. When you mask off an entire context and only look at the evils of a few, you miss the evils of the whole.

[Dave]

There you go Dave...no excuse now. It's funny cause he's right, you're wrong, and you're just blatantly refusing to admit it.

Maybe instead of regurgitating that goofball's crap sans his lack of tact, you could rephrase it in your own words (since all I can read is "Originally posted by [FTF]Pyro:" unless I want to read it in the quote box, which I don't really feel like doing).

[[FTF]Pyro]

oddly enough, this is exactly what i was thinking about your responses

When I see someone conveniently ignoring part of a story, I point it out. I made no claims one way or the other except to imply that it seems some people intentionally gloss over evidence, as if they don't want to see the forest because of a few ugly trees are blocking their view.

In other words, stop focusing on a few ugly trees like George Bush I and II and look at the whole picture. When you mask off an entire context and only look at the evils of a few, you miss the evils of the whole.

What are you babbling about. The context of the whole is that during the Iran Iraq 8 year war Saddam and his cronies (Who I ahve NO LOVE FOR WHAT SO EVER) were supported, funded and ARMED by the very same adminstration that disposed of them during the first and second gulf wars...... the very same people.


too miss that you have got to either be walking in the dark or just plain dont wanna see whats going on.


Soend some time reading and listening to real journalism and books. Christ pick up a copy of ""THE GRAND CHESSBOARD - American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives" Zbigniew Brzezinski, Basic Books, 1997.

who is Zbigniew Brzezinski?

In 1973, Brzezinski became the first director of the Trilateral Commission, a group of prominent political and business leaders and academics from the United States, Western Europe and Japan. Its purpose was to strengthen relations among the three regions. Future President Carter was a member, and when he declared his candidacy for the White House in 1974, Brzezinski, a critic of the Nixon-Kissinger foreign policy style, became his adviser on foreign affairs. After his victory in 1976, Carter made Brzezinski national security adviser.



In that book Zbigniew Brzezinski states and these are the very first words in the book:

"Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power."- p. xiii. Eurasia is all of the territory east of Germany and Poland, stretching all the way through Russia and China to the Pacific Ocean. It includes the Middle East and most of the Indian subcontinent. The key to controlling Eurasia, says Brzezinski, is controlling the Central Asian Republics. And the key to controlling the Central Asian republics is Uzbekistan. Thus, it comes as no surprise that Uzbekistan was forcefully mentioned by President George W. Bush in his address to a joint session of Congress, just days after the attacks of September 11, as the very first place that the U.S. military would be deployed.

The Empires here Dave, The Fourth Reicht is here. Wake up Dorothy, your not in Kansas anymore

[seremtan]

oddly enough, this is exactly what i was thinking about your responses

When I see someone conveniently ignoring part of a story, I point it out. I made no claims one way or the other except to imply that it seems some people intentionally gloss over evidence, as if they don't want to see the forest because of a few ugly trees are blocking their view.

yeah, i see someone conveniently ignoring part of the story too, and it ain't me. everyone knows about saddam's crimes. i mean ffs we had them rammed down our throats for 12 years via the media, all for the purpose of getting us pissed off enough to support a war that had nothing to do with his crimes. you may make "no claims one way or the other" but that just sounds like a cop-out to me

In other words, stop focusing on a few ugly trees like George Bush I and II and look at the whole picture. When you mask off an entire context and only look at the evils of a few, you miss the evils of the whole.

i don't focus on those two (i mentioned clinton also re. the sanctions; i also mentioned the complicity of my own govt if you recall). i'm well aware that it's the insitutions and the doctrines embodied in those institutions that give rise to the crimes we are discussing, and that bush 2 and the neocons are just the latest exponents (albeit at the extreme end) of those doctrines. they are also not the ONLY exponents of those doctrines in the world, but unlike all the other tinpot tyrants like saddam they have an incomparably vast scope for what you referred to as 'agency'. being able to project force anywhere in the world, and doing so on a regular basis as the US govt does, makes them a special case. this isn't failing to see the wood for the trees - this IS the fucking wood. the case of iraq is no exception.

[seremtan]

oh and by the way, pyro IS making some good points, and citing evidence for them. i mean, if you disagree with what's being said here, let's hear your arguments