The worst precedent ever has just been set...

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:01 am

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... nworld-hed

A federal appeals court ruled Friday that Jose Padilla, held for more than three years after federal officials said he planned to set off radiological devices known as "dirty bombs," can be detained indefinitely without trial.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:15 am

My threads always generate so many replies...I'm such a stud...

Post by **ScooterG** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:21 am

That is pretty scary....

Post by **Kills On Site** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:26 am

It all depends on whether he was a US Citizen or not, still horrible, but if he isn't a citizen then the Constitution doesn't apply to him.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:29 am

Kills On Site wrote:It all depends on whether he was a US Citizen or not, still horrible, but if he isn't a citizen then the Constitution doesn't apply to him.

No...that doesnt matter. The patriot act does not exclude American citizens in the provision they just affirmed.

Post by **shadd_** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:29 am

Kills On Site wrote:It all depends on whether he was a US Citizen or not, still horrible, but if he isn't a citizen then the Constitution doesn't apply to him.

so a US citizen is better than a non US citizen, therefore deserving of fairer treatment?

Post by **Kills On Site** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:34 am

I never said I agreed with it, but that is the way it is. I feel it is wrong, but that doesn't change the court system now does it?

Post by **shadd_** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:51 am

i was looking for a yes or no answer.

Post by **R00k** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:17 am

He is a citizen, that's why it's such a big deal.

Now there's a perfectly legal precedent for detaining an American citizen forever without charging him.

It's sickening that a federal court would make such a judgement.

Post by **R00k** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:18 am

And this kind of stuff that's been happening the last few years is eventually going to have a trickle-down effect to state and local agencies.

I just read in our local paper that there is a guy here who's been detained for alleged murder, since August without a hearing or a lawyer.

Post by **seremtan** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:44 am

i've heard of this guy. what about habeas corpus?

Post by **R00k** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:48 am

Apparently that has been overturned by one of the "Activist Judges" the republicons are always ranting about.

I mean, Habeus Corpus is only in our constitution - it's no big deal. We need to worry about those judges who try to let husbands decide the fate of their vegetable-wives, and set nasty precedents upholding people's rights to the pursuit of happiness over the interests of America-nurturing mega-corporations.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:30 pm

R00k wrote:And this kind of stuff that's been happening the last few years is eventually going to have a trickle-down effect to state and local agencies.

I just read in our local paper that there is a guy here who's been detained for alleged murder, since August without a hearing or a lawyer.

Any link?

Post by **R00k** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:40 pm

I read it on the front page of the paper at a newsstand. I'll see if I can find it on the website.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:23 pm

Maybe he can't post bail?

Post by **R00k** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:24 pm

No, they still haven't set bail.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:25 pm

Ummm... Don't they have to?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:26 pm

Or are you sure they didn't just deny bail?

Post by **R00k** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:26 pm

Kracus wrote:Ummm... Don't they have to?

Yea, that's my point.

Post by **R00k** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:27 pm

Kracus wrote:Or are you sure they didn't just deny bail?

No, he hasn't even been given a hearing, and the prosecution hasn't provided any evidence to the defense.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:29 pm

Doesn't make any sense bud. I'd need to see that in the paper cause you just can't do that, the court case would likely be thrown out if it was brought in front of a court so it doesn't make sense they'd do that with a murderer. Imagine who's heads would roll if they let a killer slip through because of a technicality? I'm not buying it man.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:32 pm

Kracus wrote:Doesn't make any sense bud. I'd need to see that in the paper cause you just can't do that, the court case would likely be thrown out if it was brought in front of a court so it doesn't make sense they'd do that with a murderer. Imagine who's heads would roll if they let a killer slip through because of a technicality? I'm not buying it man.

Exactly. But the Patriot Act changed all that.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:41 pm

What a fucking moron.

Dirty bombs and not a viable method of attack.

Outside of the initial explosion people would have to stand perfectly skill for upwards of a decade for the radioactive material to cause any kind of health impact.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:41 pm

Yeah but something like the patriot act could be challenged again and in light of non crazy people in the courts I doubt it'd hold up based on human rights violations. That's why when you guys get all flustered over these laws they are trying to make that really it's just like a fad. OMG BBQWATERMELLONS!!!!

Any law that doesn't seem right can be challenged and the fact is detaining any free individual is indeed infringing on those core human rights issues. Now if it was a dude with a previous record being denied bail then yeah, I can understand that but that's why that's the way it is. You can't just detain a person.

Unless they look like they're from the middle east.

seriously though it's a bad law and should be challenged

Post by **eepberries** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:27 pm

Hasn't it been proven that dirty bombs don't do shit anyway?