a great american...

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:31 pm

rep wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:i love your simplistic understanding of the world. it causes me no end amusement
It's that simple. If America says, "Bend over." The world replies, "How far?"

right

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:33 pm

it's americans who are getting bent over by their own leaders.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:36 pm

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:47 pm

thank you America for making the world a better place!!!!

Post by **andyman** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:52 pm

they are small arms, not thermonuclear bombs

Post by **Ryoki** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:52 pm

Of course this problem could be solved almost instantly by passing some law that says you gotta pay an illegal minimum wage.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:08 pm

andyman wrote:they are small arms, not thermonuclear bombs

it's all kinds of things from chemical weapons components (WMD's gg) to jets to missiles etc. but yes, not nukes

good point

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:08 pm

anyone here ever heard of the maquiladoras?

Post by **rep** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:10 pm

Ryoki wrote:Of course this problem could be solved almost instantly by passing some law that says you gotta pay an illegal minimum wage.

Why? Illegals have no American rights.

Post by **rep** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:11 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:anyone here ever heard of the maquiladoras?

That's SHAFTA's bullshit in Mexico, right?

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:12 pm

in that case, the US should invade mexico and <i>make</i> them US citizens! moehaha

Post by **Ryoki** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:33 pm

rep wrote:
Ryoki wrote:Of course this problem could be solved almost instantly by passing some law that says you gotta pay an illegal minimum wage.
Why? Illegals have no American rights.

Why you ask? To solve the problem you have with them of course.

Otherwise this problem will never go away.

Post by **Dave** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:38 pm

Actually aliens do have rights in the United States
http://www.twmlaw.com/resources/general12cont.htm

Well researched rep

Post by **Ryoki** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:41 pm

Seriously rep, think of what would happen when tomorrow it would be illegal to pay illegals under minimum wage.

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:42 pm

How can he make one point so eloquently, yet otherwise be a complete fucking mong?

Post by **PHILAMONSTER** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:51 pm

because he's a bigot first and realist second?

Post by **R00k** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:53 pm

Ryoki wrote:Seriously rep, think of what would happen when tomorrow it would be illegal to pay illegals under minimum wage.

Well that would be nice in theory, but in practice I know that a lot of farmers would still pay less than minimum wage illegally -- they're already hiring them illegally.

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:53 pm

No, it's not that simple. There are layers to his idiocy that defy description.

Post by **Ryoki** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:18 pm

R00k wrote: Well that would be nice in theory, but in practice I know that a lot of farmers would still pay less than minimum wage illegally -- they're already hiring them illegally.

I think prosecuting people for hiring illegals is like fighting the symptoms of the cancer rather than the cancer itself (which is imo the supply and demand of cheap labor). There will always be hungry people from the south who like to make some money, and there will always be people willing to exploit that.

But if you give the illegals the right to protest their sickiningly low wages, suddenly the whole equasion doesn't add up anymore. Why would they work for someone who'll pay them far less than they'd earn on the other side of town? The only way this wouldn't work is if there'd be no regular checking up of companies and farms and the like.
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Post by **R00k** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:24 pm

Ryoki wrote:
R00k wrote: Well that would be nice in theory, but in practice I know that a lot of farmers would still pay less than minimum wage illegally -- they're already hiring them illegally.
I think prosecuting people for hiring illegals is like fighting the symptoms of the cancer rather than the cancer itself (which is imo the supply and demand of cheap labor). There will always be hungry people from the south who like to make some money, and there will always be people willing to exploit that.

But if you give the illegals the right to protest their sickiningly low wages, suddenly the whole equasion doesn't add up anymore. Why would they work for someone who'll pay them far less than they'd earn on the other side of town? The only way this wouldn't work is if there'd be no regular checking up of companies and farms and the like.
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There isn't any regular checking up on small farming employers - at least out here - and that's where a majority of them are working.

It would take a massive investment to start regularly monitoring small farmers, and even then it wouldn't be too hard to bypass the controls.

Small farmers are making jack shit these days. Most of them are one seasonal drought away from losing everything they own. That's why they look for extremely cheap labor to begin with.

Post by **Ryoki** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:32 pm

I bet that even when you skip the smaller farms altogether and just go for the walmarts and bigger companies, it would work.

The self regulating mechanism of not wanting to earn nothing when you could earn more will take care of the rest. I think.

Post by **rep** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:05 pm

Dave wrote:Actually aliens do have rights in the United States
http://www.twmlaw.com/resources/general12cont.htm

Well researched rep

Want to put it to the test? I know where I can tag and bag a dozen or so, and no one will ever care to look for them. Hop over to Aruba, and kill an American girl and you've got fighter jets looking for you.

Just because it's on paper doesn't mean it's for real.

Post by **rep** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:05 pm

Ryoki wrote:Seriously rep, think of what would happen when tomorrow it would be illegal to pay illegals under minimum wage.

It's illegal to pay illegals.

Edit: This is a little different, but let me just tell you a story. When I went to fill out my voter registration card, a migrant worker was in line in front of me at the MVD. He didn't speak any English whatsoever, and even though they got a Spanish speaking person to translate, she couldn't understand because he was clearly stupid. He had to get a new migrant worker permit, which costs $40. He only had $20. After holding the line up for twenty minutes, they gave him the card for $20.

I spoke up about it, but my voice fell on deaf ears. The workers at the MVD were hispanic.

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:21 pm

Serves you right for sticking your oar in.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:54 pm

Ryoki wrote:
R00k wrote: Well that would be nice in theory, but in practice I know that a lot of farmers would still pay less than minimum wage illegally -- they're already hiring them illegally.
I think prosecuting people for hiring illegals is like fighting the symptoms of the cancer rather than the cancer itself (which is imo the supply and demand of cheap labor). There will always be hungry people from the south who like to make some money, and there will always be people willing to exploit that.

But if you give the illegals the right to protest their sickiningly low wages, suddenly the whole equasion doesn't add up anymore. Why would they work for someone who'll pay them far less than they'd earn on the other side of town? The only way this wouldn't work is if there'd be no regular checking up of companies and farms and the like.
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give them the right? they're illegal, until they cross the border through legal channels, they can piss right off.