Kracus wrote:I simply don't have that much time but I like talking about the subject.
Go buy this book:
"Before the Beginning" by Martin Rees. It is RIGHT up the alley of the shit you are wanting to know more about. Seriously, order it up on Amazon right now and read it. Even if you are busy, make time. Your future posts will be MUCH more worthwhile for having read it. This is the first cosomology book I recommend to everyone, and I've read a lot of them.
Yeah you're right about the physics although it may only be relative to the spread of space in an area. It's possible certain areas of space might not be "stretched" so to speak to a neutral position after the explosion.
However, the important thing to note is the three objects in the universe and yes I'm using the term universe before the big bang because it's probably cycling.
There's the gigantic black hole in the center which basicly has all matter sucked into it. Space and the outter edges of the universe, whatever that's comprised of I have no idea. It does stretch though.
The space can't be sucked into the black hole but can be compressed which it is since the inner walls of the universe are right next to the gigantic black hole.
Once space reaches it's maximum ammount of compression boom. At this point however there would have to be no galaxy's no stars, no planets nothing. Just space.
Yeah you're right about the physics although it may only be relative to the spread of space in an area. It's possible certain areas of space might not be "stretched" so to speak to a neutral position after the explosion.
However, the important thing to note is the three objects in the universe and yes I'm using the term universe before the big bang because it's probably cycling.
There's the gigantic black hole in the center which basicly has all matter sucked into it. Space and the outter edges of the universe, whatever that's comprised of I have no idea. It does stretch though.
The space can't be sucked into the black hole but can be compressed which it is since the inner walls of the universe are right next to the gigantic black hole.
Once space reaches it's maximum ammount of compression boom. At this point however there would have to be no galaxy's no stars, no planets nothing. Just space.
Nothing in space sucks anything. Nothing in nature is ever "sucked."
STOP USING THE WORD SUCK!!!
tnf wrote:...kind of like trying to tell a kid there really isn't a valid answer to a question like "When is Germany?"
:lol: Five minutes before bowel cancer.
Tell me something kracus, when you're thinking up this funky ass shit is it like your thoughts are like a piece of wet slippery string endlessly disappearing down a plughole, and posting them here is the only way to hang on to them for more than 3 seconds? I'm curious...
Kracus wrote:I simply don't have that much time but I like talking about the subject.
Go buy this book:
"Before the Beginning" by Martin Rees. It is RIGHT up the alley of the shit you are wanting to know more about. Seriously, order it up on Amazon right now and read it. Even if you are busy, make time. Your future posts will be MUCH more worthwhile for having read it. This is the first cosomology book I recommend to everyone, and I've read a lot of them.
Yeah... I can't really buy anything online but I'll check a local bookstore and see if they have it. Sounds interesting.
I recently saw Hawking's Brief History of Time on video and it was quite interesting, it also talks about his life a bit and how he came about different theories. I liked how hawkings first thought that if the big bang contracts then time will go back in reverse.
tnf wrote:...kind of like trying to tell a kid there really isn't a valid answer to a question like "When is Germany?"
:lol: Five minutes before bowel cancer.
Tell me something kracus, when you're thinking up this funky ass shit is it like your thoughts are like a piece of wet slippery string endlessly disappearing down a plughole, and posting them here is the only way to hang on to them for more than 3 seconds? I'm curious...
You know when I think up this crazy stuff I'm usualy pretty stoned. When I'm stoned I try to see what things would look like based on the way they function but not in the conventional sense. Take air for an example since it's less complicated.
I try to see how air would flow around you as you walked through the room. To see air as maybe a yellow mist you can't see through but that way you can see how it moves about.
I'm no Kracus but from I understand you can never reach the end of the universe because it always repeats so technically you can eventually reach a point where your physical self will be in two places at once.
I heard that from some documentary, could be wrong.
tnf wrote: There was no 'universe' before the big bang, unless you hold to the idea that we might be part of a continual cycle of big bangs and big crunches, but in that case, it would inaccurate to say that the universe before was just a black hole drawing everything into it.
Again, trying to refute some of this is difficult because it is just so...wrong.
So you believe that there was no universe and at some point it just spontaniously came into existance? Logicaly i cant follow that so i was hoping you can elaborate, i mean i can see how it could happen, but then we are talking about god and creations of universes dont you think?
Everything in the universe creates a warping of space which in turn creates gravitional pull, according to einstein and others, this in turn with the big bang theory lead me to believe that at some point the gravitational pull will become more previlant the the outward force of the big bang and slow the racing away of the universe and gradualy pull everything back. The universe has always existed and always will probably.
To sum up, im along with the crunch and ban idea. Im wondering how you can think anything different.
tnf wrote: There was no 'universe' before the big bang, unless you hold to the idea that we might be part of a continual cycle of big bangs and big crunches, but in that case, it would inaccurate to say that the universe before was just a black hole drawing everything into it.
Again, trying to refute some of this is difficult because it is just so...wrong.
So you believe that there was no universe and at some point it just spontaniously came into existance? Logicaly i cant follow that so i was hoping you can elaborate, i mean i can see how it could happen, but then we are talking about god and creations of universes dont you think?
Everything in the universe creates a warping of space which in turn creates gravitional pull, according to einstein and others, this in turn with the big bang theory lead me to believe that at some point the gravitational pull will become more previlant the the outward force of the big bang and slow the racing away of the universe and gradualy pull everything back. The universe has always existed and always will probably.
To sum up, im along with the crunch and ban idea. Im wondering how you can think anything different.
You misread my post. Kracus said that before the big bang the universe was something...I told him that 'our' universe didn't exist before the big bang.
I like the cyclical idea, but it will all depend on whether or not we are part of a runaway universe, or if gravitational forces ultimately begin drawing everything back together. At this point we don't have enough evidence (as far as I know) to really say (with any degree of certainty) which will happen.
I am trying to avoid diverting into the realm of philosophy here--into "the what came before the big bang?..then waht came before that...then what came before that?" line of questioning.
The chances are that what we know now is probally wrong and that over time our theories will change. I guess it doesn't really matter what people think, I've always questioned what was before and how did it all happened but I will probally never know the answer so I gave up on discussing it just like to know the general theories and what not.
