Random Thought #26

[Guest]

Here's my theory. It kinda builds on my last theory that the universe walls are causing gravity. I couldn't figure out why though that they would cause the inverse effect. However I was pretty sure it had something to do with it and I think I might have figured out an idea.

The idea is that black holes are the pillars of the universe the same way pillars are used in a house. They are the cause of gravity.

Before the big bang, moments before, the universe was simply a gigantic black hole drawing everything to it which was nothing but space and the inner walls of the unviverse. I think space compressed acts differently than the space we're accostomed to seeing but I don't think it's simply nothing. For example if a black hole was placed in a balloon the balloon would quickly be sucked into the black hole. I think, space the outter walls of the universe is basicly like the balloon and that the air in the balloon between the black hole and the inner wall of th balloon can't be sucked into the black hole.

So you have a problem something has to give. The black hole wants to pull the universe walls into it but the space betweent he wall and the black hole prevents it from happening since it won't be sucked into the black hole and the universe can't get past it, this is where the big bang happens.

The stress applied to the black hole by the compressed space simply won't allow it to happen so the black hole explodes. Causing the big bang. It's wake pushes the walls of the universe outwards leaving space behind and debris.

The space left behind would have had a very neutral behavior since it's no longer being compressed by the inner walls of the universe. Soon though new black holes began to form from the exploded gigantic black hole creating new smaller black holes. Those black holes cause gravity by pulling everything towards it through space. Space, when warped creates the effect of gravity as we see it today because of the black holes effect on it.

Eventualy perhaps the black holes will reform together to create another super black hole that will again create another big bang when the universe implodes on itself.

[inphlict]

I think your onto something, I mean if people know more about this then it could change the future. Do you agree?

[[xeno]Julios]

good THC induced creative thinking, but aren't you forgetting that gravity can be a local effect also between two bodies?

hence the orbits of the planets around the sun, which are independent of black holes, else they'd all be attracted in one direction.


What is more interesting is the dark energy, or negative gravity across large distances that some speculate exists.

[dzjepp]

Waits for tnf to counter every argument you just made.

[GONNAFISTYA]

I think that my theory is more interesting after a bowl.

Kracus usually has his "thoughts" while sitting on a different kind of bowl.

[Guest]

good THC induced creative thinking, but aren't you forgetting that gravity can be a local effect also between two bodies?

hence the orbits of the planets around the sun, which are independent of black holes, else they'd all be attracted in one direction.


What is more interesting is the dark energy, or negative gravity across large distances that some speculate exists.

Well not really because any large body creates the effect we see as gravity because of the black holes effect on space. Normaly, space is neutral so you won't feel anything until space is warped then it creates gravity. The reason it's neutral right now is because the universe is still expanding. Once it starts to contract and compressing space together again I suspect it'll change.

[tnf]

Waits for tnf to counter every argument you just made.

I just got home. Let me relax for a few minutes before I decide if the ideas are even worth the time it takes to argue with them. Most of the time it's worthless, kind of like trying to tell a kid there really isn't a valid answer to a question like "When is Germany?"

[tnf]

But since I'm teaching about gravity, general, and special relativity right now, maybe I'll discuss it anyhow.

[Pext]

well... if kracus was educated he could make a usefull scientist. the creativity he displays is good.

to bad he just does not know shit.

[tnf]

well... if kracus was educated he could make a usefull scientist. the creativity he displays is good.

to bad he just does not know shit.

You would think that, but it'd be wrong. People who are 'creative' like that, as well as too stubborn to admit they don't have a fucking clue at times, end up being shitty scientists because they don't have the discipline to develop a solid understanding of fundamental concepts. I've seen the type throughout the years in science. Creativity is only 1 part of the equation.

[Guest]

[Guest]

I don't assume any of these random thoughts are ever correct. I just process the information and vomit it on this site for fun.

[Pext]

You would think that, but it'd be wrong. People who are 'creative' like that, as well as too stubborn to admit they don't have a fucking clue at times, end up being shitty scientists because they don't have the discipline to develop a solid understanding of fundamental concepts. I've seen the type throughout the years in science. Creativity is only 1 part of the equation.

well... mayby i just wish i had a bit more creativity with my maths problem. the conjecture is so simple and beautiful but proving it is a hairy, fat bitch.

[Guest]

Think of space like a string with one end attatched to all the black holes in the universe and the other end attatched to the inner wall of the universe. When the universe expands the strings edge spreads forward with the wall expanding but the string left behind is no longer being stretched... or maybe it is I'm not sure.

[Guest]

Krakus, do you know what's permeability?

[Guest]

Point is as long as it's just sitting there nothing really seems to be happening although it might be on sucha minute scale we just don't see or notice it. I wonder if there's a way to test that I'm sure there must be.

[[xeno]Julios]

.. kind of like trying to tell a kid there really isn't a valid answer to a question like "When is Germany?"

:lol:

that's pretty fuckin quotable.

[Guest]

Krakus, do you know what's permeability?

I've been asked this before. I always assumed it was a joke but no I don't really know. It sounds like somekind of waterproofing though.

Or maybe I do actualy I think Julios sent me a link that I read about that.... what was it again? I just need my memory triggered.

[Guest]

Hey I'm open to anything you guys that know this shit have to say. I'll just take what you say and try to interpret why it's doing that and figure out a theory on that too. So the more I know the more complex my theory is going to get.

[tnf]

Here's my theory. It kinda builds on my last theory that the universe walls are causing gravity. I couldn't figure out why though that they would cause the inverse effect. However I was pretty sure it had something to do with it and I think I might have figured out an idea.

The idea is that black holes are the pillars of the universe the same way pillars are used in a house. They are the cause of gravity.

Before the big bang, moments before, the universe was simply a gigantic black hole drawing everything to it which was nothing but space and the inner walls of the unviverse. I think space compressed acts differently than the space we're accostomed to seeing but I don't think it's simply nothing. For example if a black hole was placed in a balloon the balloon would quickly be sucked into the black hole. I think, space the outter walls of the universe is basicly like the balloon and that the air in the balloon between the black hole and the inner wall of th balloon can't be sucked into the black hole.

So you have a problem something has to give. The black hole wants to pull the universe walls into it but the space betweent he wall and the black hole prevents it from happening since it won't be sucked into the black hole and the universe can't get past it, this is where the big bang happens.

The stress applied to the black hole by the compressed space simply won't allow it to happen so the black hole explodes. Causing the big bang. It's wake pushes the walls of the universe outwards leaving space behind and debris.

The space left behind would have had a very neutral behavior since it's no longer being compressed by the inner walls of the universe. Soon though new black holes began to form from the exploded gigantic black hole creating new smaller black holes. Those black holes cause gravity by pulling everything towards it through space. Space, when warped creates the effect of gravity as we see it today because of the black holes effect on it.

Eventualy perhaps the black holes will reform together to create another super black hole that will again create another big bang when the universe implodes on itself.

Here are some problems - "before the big bang the universe was..."

The big bang brought the present universe, along with the laws of physics that we have, into existence. The expansion of the big bang is the expansion of the universe itself. There was no 'universe' before the big bang, unless you hold to the idea that we might be part of a continual cycle of big bangs and big crunches, but in that case, it would inaccurate to say that the universe before was just a black hole drawing everything into it.


Again, trying to refute some of this is difficult because it is just so...wrong.

[losCHUNK]

stoner thought: 900 mil spent in iraq everyday, and heres people pissing and moaning over how badly the NHS is run

kracus thought: ima re write physics with limited knowledge on the subject

[Guest]

Here are some problems - "before the big bang the universe was..."

The big bang brought the present universe, along with the laws of physics that we have, into existence. The expansion of the big bang is the expansion of the universe itself. There was no 'universe' before the big bang, unless you hold to the idea that we might be part of a continual cycle of big bangs and big crunches, but in that case, it would inaccurate to say that the universe before was just a black hole drawing everything into it.


Again, trying to refute some of this is difficult because it is just so...wrong.

Yes a cycling universe is a possibility in what I'm saying. So why would a black hole be impossible in a cycling universe? Why couldn't current black holes merge together to form a super black hole? I've read of certain galaxy's colliding together.

And what if a super black hole could exist? Or if it can't why?

[tnf]

Before you make theories, teach yourself something about the subject. Seriously, you can't make theories without knowledge because you are wasting your time. 99% of what you theorize about is pointless because your logic is wrong to begin with.
I told a student once that he didn't have the right to call the book Moby Dick "stupid" because he wasn't intellgent or well read enough to make that assumption. In short, he didn't have the intellectual "right" to make any sort of judgement on the book on way or the other. The same logic applies to cooking up theories on this shit. You are free to do so, but you are wasting your time until you learn something to begin with.

So, go read up on the big bang, the pillars of the standard cosmology, relativity, gravity, etc...

[Guest]

I simply don't have that much time but I like talking about the subject.

[tnf]

Here are some problems - "before the big bang the universe was..."

The big bang brought the present universe, along with the laws of physics that we have, into existence. The expansion of the big bang is the expansion of the universe itself. There was no 'universe' before the big bang, unless you hold to the idea that we might be part of a continual cycle of big bangs and big crunches, but in that case, it would inaccurate to say that the universe before was just a black hole drawing everything into it.


Again, trying to refute some of this is difficult because it is just so...wrong.

Yes a cycling universe is a possibility in what I'm saying. So why would a black hole be impossible in a cycling universe? Why couldn't current black holes merge together to form a super black hole? I've read of certain galaxy's colliding together.

And what if a super black hole could exist? Or if it can't why?

Galaxies can collide, but the way you worded it you made it sound like the current 'universe' was there before the big bang - it wasn't. Although the cycling idea is not uncommon, we have to be careful about assuming too much about the physics of a 'previous' universe...from what i've read, quantum variations and such in the almost infitesimally small clump of matter that will explode in the 'bang' could result in completely different physical 'laws' for a new universe.

I've not read the rest of your post closely yet. Let me take my oxycodone for this neck pain and do it later when I am less apt to get frustrated.