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Programmer wrote vote-rigging software - sworn testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:54 pm
by R00k
You can watch the full video of his testimony here. He testifies that he wrote software for Florida in 2000, that would flip votes in order to maintain a certain win percentage, and that its purpose was also to hide any trace of tampering.

http://www.iwilltryit.com/fixed1.htm?fark

This is his testimony under oath before senators.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:59 pm
by Don Carlos
And what will be done about it? Nothing at all... >:E

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:05 pm
by R00k
I don't know. I would agree with you. But the fact that a majority of Americans now don't approve of Bush's performance, and also think he intentionally misled or lied about evidence to start the war, coupled with the ongoing investigations and ethics probes in the administration and the republican party... Some people might begin to find this believeable - which they should.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:09 pm
by Iccy (temp)
Now the real question is, will it make news, will it be questioned and explored or will it be lost.

Itll be interesting no matter what. Either we have a full inquiry to the presidential election or we are witness tot he strangle hold this administration has on the press.



When was this anyway?

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:09 pm
by mjrpes
When was this testimony given?

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:11 pm
by Iccy (temp)
R00k wrote:I don't know. I would agree with you. But the fact that a majority of Americans now don't approve of Bush's performance, and also think he intentionally misled or lied about evidence to start the war, coupled with the ongoing investigations and ethics probes in the administration and the republican party... Some people might begin to find this believeable - which they should.


Well as i was watching it something occured to me. Its human nature to try to get away with more then the last person or even the last time. Once you do something you feel safe and secure doing it and you extend a lil furthur. Eventualy someone will go to far and get busted, its a matter of time is all. Maybe this will be it. I think impeaching bush is about the only way that america can even begin to save face in the global community at this point. One can only dream....

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:13 pm
by Foo
Electronic machines should not be part of the voting process, regardless.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:13 pm
by R00k
I think it was December 13 of last year, but surprisingly this is the first I have heard of it.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:23 pm
by mjrpes
R00k wrote:I think it was December 13 of last year, but surprisingly this is the first I have heard of it.
How odd, but utterly unsurprising.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:28 pm
by ilumos
Foo wrote:Electronic machines should not be part of the voting process, regardless.
Very true, but it will just make rigging the voting harder, not impossible.

And yes, this is some crazy (and unsurprising) news. This better get out there past the censors or Amerika's doomed for another bush term.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:29 pm
by Foo
I don't see how that could happen.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:33 pm
by bitWISE
ilumos wrote:
Foo wrote:Electronic machines should not be part of the voting process, regardless.
Very true, but it will just make rigging the voting harder, not impossible.

And yes, this is some crazy (and unsurprising) news. This better get out there past the censors or Amerika's doomed for another bush term.
There is a two term limit.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:35 pm
by ilumos
Well thank god for that... I dont know a whole lot about politics as you might have guessed...

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:22 pm
by Foo
However if you subscribe to the belief that a government would fully rig an election then I don't think it's a far leap to beleive that the front-man for said government is little more than a tool, and since the two-term limit applies to the president and not these underlying factors, will it even make a difference?

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:42 pm
by R00k
Why that's crazy talk!

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:46 pm
by rep
R00k wrote:I think it was December 13 of last year, but surprisingly this is the first I have heard of it.
Really? I thought either myself or Freakaloin posted something about it then.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:04 pm
by [xeno]Julios
hm

http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news. ... 1185989364

haven't read it yet, but looks like it involves curtis, and some other dude (investigator named Ray Lemme) who was murdered.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:24 pm
by seremtan
why did this guy take so long to testify? i mean, this was over 5 years ago ffs. why wasn't this guy getting all the airtime he could muster to shout about this when the whole recount nonsense was going on? did it really take him this long to overcome his "lifelong republican" sympathies?
In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."
:dork:

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:43 am
by ajerara
I don't think impeaching a president actually forces him to leave office. What we want is for him to have to resign.

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:13 am
by MKJ
couldnt bush be impeached for this? :g

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:58 am
by sliver
what the hell is iwilltryit.com supposed to be?

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:07 am
by Nightshade
ajerara wrote:I don't think impeaching a president actually forces him to leave office. What we want is for him to have to resign.
It doesn't. Clinton was impeached, but the Senate failed to act further. Once articles of impeachment are given to the Senate the have to determine the punishment, anything from censure to removal from office. What baffles me is that Bush has done so much worse than lie about getting blown, yet millions of people still think he's the second coming. :dork:

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:31 am
by Geebs
seremtan wrote:why did this guy take so long to testify? i mean, this was over 5 years ago ffs. why wasn't this guy getting all the airtime he could muster to shout about this when the whole recount nonsense was going on? did it really take him this long to overcome his "lifelong republican" sympathies?
In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."
:dork:
More importantly, if he's the sort of craven, dishonest fuck who'd write that sort of software, he's not exactly credible.

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:35 am
by Nightshade
Umm, wait. He did something underhanded so we can't believe him when he admits it? I'm glad I'm not one of your patients, Geebs.

"Doctor! I barfed up my liver this morning!"

"Get out of here you hypochondrical douche!"

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:40 am
by Geebs
bad example. The hepatobiliary system is only in continuity with the lumen of the gastrointestinal tract at two points, both of which are in the duodenum.