Programmer wrote vote-rigging software - sworn testimony

Post by **R00k** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:54 pm

You can watch the full video of his testimony here. He testifies that he wrote software for Florida in 2000, that would flip votes in order to maintain a certain win percentage, and that its purpose was also to hide any trace of tampering.

http://www.iwilltryit.com/fixed1.htm?fark

This is his testimony under oath before senators.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:59 pm

And what will be done about it? Nothing at all...

Post by **R00k** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:05 pm

I don't know. I would agree with you. But the fact that a majority of Americans now don't approve of Bush's performance, and also think he intentionally misled or lied about evidence to start the war, coupled with the ongoing investigations and ethics probes in the administration and the republican party... Some people might begin to find this believeable - which they should.

Post by **Iccy (temp)** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:09 pm

Now the real question is, will it make news, will it be questioned and explored or will it be lost.

Itll be interesting no matter what. Either we have a full inquiry to the presidential election or we are witness tot he strangle hold this administration has on the press.

When was this anyway?

Post by **mjrpes** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:09 pm

When was this testimony given?

Post by **Iccy (temp)** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:11 pm

R00k wrote:I don't know. I would agree with you. But the fact that a majority of Americans now don't approve of Bush's performance, and also think he intentionally misled or lied about evidence to start the war, coupled with the ongoing investigations and ethics probes in the administration and the republican party... Some people might begin to find this believeable - which they should.

Well as i was watching it something occured to me. Its human nature to try to get away with more then the last person or even the last time. Once you do something you feel safe and secure doing it and you extend a lil furthur. Eventualy someone will go to far and get busted, its a matter of time is all. Maybe this will be it. I think impeaching bush is about the only way that america can even begin to save face in the global community at this point. One can only dream....

Post by **Foo** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:13 pm

Electronic machines should not be part of the voting process, regardless.

Post by **R00k** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:13 pm

I think it was December 13 of last year, but surprisingly this is the first I have heard of it.

Post by **mjrpes** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:23 pm

R00k wrote:I think it was December 13 of last year, but surprisingly this is the first I have heard of it.

How odd, but utterly unsurprising.

Post by **ilumos** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:28 pm

Foo wrote:Electronic machines should not be part of the voting process, regardless.

Very true, but it will just make rigging the voting harder, not impossible.

And yes, this is some crazy (and unsurprising) news. This better get out there past the censors or Amerika's doomed for another bush term.

Post by **Foo** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:29 pm

I don't see how that could happen.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:33 pm

ilumos wrote:
Foo wrote:Electronic machines should not be part of the voting process, regardless.
Very true, but it will just make rigging the voting harder, not impossible.

And yes, this is some crazy (and unsurprising) news. This better get out there past the censors or Amerika's doomed for another bush term.

There is a two term limit.

Post by **ilumos** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:35 pm

Well thank god for that... I dont know a whole lot about politics as you might have guessed...

Post by **Foo** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:22 pm

However if you subscribe to the belief that a government would fully rig an election then I don't think it's a far leap to beleive that the front-man for said government is little more than a tool, and since the two-term limit applies to the president and not these underlying factors, will it even make a difference?

Post by **R00k** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:42 pm

Why that's crazy talk!

Post by **rep** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:46 pm

R00k wrote:I think it was December 13 of last year, but surprisingly this is the first I have heard of it.

Really? I thought either myself or Freakaloin posted something about it then.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:04 pm

hm

http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news. ... 1185989364

haven't read it yet, but looks like it involves curtis, and some other dude (investigator named Ray Lemme) who was murdered.

Post by **seremtan** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:24 pm

why did this guy take so long to testify? i mean, this was over 5 years ago ffs. why wasn't this guy getting all the airtime he could muster to shout about this when the whole recount nonsense was going on? did it really take him this long to overcome his "lifelong republican" sympathies?

In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."

Post by **ajerara** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:43 am

I don't think impeaching a president actually forces him to leave office. What we want is for him to have to resign.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:13 am

couldnt bush be impeached for this? :g

Post by **sliver** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:58 am

what the hell is iwilltryit.com supposed to be?

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:07 am

ajerara wrote:I don't think impeaching a president actually forces him to leave office. What we want is for him to have to resign.

It doesn't. Clinton was impeached, but the Senate failed to act further. Once articles of impeachment are given to the Senate the have to determine the punishment, anything from censure to removal from office. What baffles me is that Bush has done so much worse than lie about getting blown, yet millions of people still think he's the second coming.

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:31 am

seremtan wrote:why did this guy take so long to testify? i mean, this was over 5 years ago ffs. why wasn't this guy getting all the airtime he could muster to shout about this when the whole recount nonsense was going on? did it really take him this long to overcome his "lifelong republican" sympathies?

In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."

More importantly, if he's the sort of craven, dishonest fuck who'd write that sort of software, he's not exactly credible.

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:35 am

Umm, wait. He did something underhanded so we can't believe him when he admits it? I'm glad I'm not one of your patients, Geebs.

"Doctor! I barfed up my liver this morning!"

"Get out of here you hypochondrical douche!"

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:40 am

bad example. The hepatobiliary system is only in continuity with the lumen of the gastrointestinal tract at two points, both of which are in the duodenum.