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http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst ... ock31.html

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A 14-year-old boy who went into cardiac arrest after he was zapped by a Chicago Police stun gun had not threatened police or anyone else before he was shocked, four eyewitnesses to the February incident say.

The developmentally delayed boy was sitting on a couch in a juvenile home and was not attempting to harm anyone, the witnesses claim in sworn court depositions obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times.

After the boy went into convulsions and fell to the floor, the officer who used the Taser allegedly said, "Now look at this f-----' paperwork I've got to do,'' at least two witnesses claim in the depositions.

I think because the tazer isn't lethal as such, cops are starting to use it for the hell of it...

It shouldn't be used on a 14year old lad though.

o'dium wrote:I think because the tazer isn't lethal as such, cops are starting to use it for the hell of it...

It shouldn't be used on a 14year old lad though.

Cardiac arrest isn't 'lethal as such'? My stance on this is still the same -- they should be used as if they were lethal, but as a substitute for a gun when possible, until they can find ways to make sure they will not permanently harm anyone.

As it stands right now, the effective gist of the policy is that, since it only harms or kills a very small percentage of people that it's used on, it must be safe for the general population simply because it isn't as deadly as a gun. That's extremely backwards IMO, and doesn't show the slightest respect for the lives of citizens. On top of that, these debates are serving to forward the idea that police officers can be judges and juries on the scene, and justified in whatever action they take because there may be a danger of them being injured in some way - even superficially in some cases.

I think everyone should have a taser implant that will shock us once everyday to remind us that the government is always right.

r00k, I was comparing to a pistol. What would you rather be shot with, a gun or tazer?

I think they are using them more because they know the chance of them being less lethal is slim compared to a gun.

They're told to use the taser before any physical force here.

o'dium wrote:I think because the tazer isn't lethal as such, cops are starting to use it for the hell of it...

It shouldn't be used on a 14year old lad though.

No, never on a lad. He might be trying to enjoy his crumpets.

rep wrote:

o'dium wrote:I think because the tazer isn't lethal as such, cops are starting to use it for the hell of it...

It shouldn't be used on a 14year old lad though.

No, never on a lad. He might be trying to enjoy his crumpets.

Come on theres a certain age. You cant go around doing anything you want or the whole world becomes america.

christ you and eepberries need to get a fucking room and shout "IT'S ALWAYS AMERICA'S FAULT!" right before collapsing, spent in one anothers arms. It would be theraputic, i think.

o'dium wrote:r00k, I was comparing to a pistol. What would you rather be shot with, a gun or tazer?

I think they are using them more because they know the chance of them being less lethal is slim compared to a gun.

In more and more cases it's becoming obvious that they can be just as lethal as a gun. Therefore, they should only use tasers in situations where they would normally use a gun, as a safer alternative.

Underpants? wrote:christ you and eepberries need to get a fucking room and shout "IT'S ALWAYS AMERICA'S FAULT!" right before collapsing, spent in one anothers arms. It would be theraputic, i think.

But it is all america's fault. Isn't america all "shoot first, shoot second, shoot a little bit more and then try and ask a question while shot dodging somebody else"?

DooMer wrote:They're told to use the taser before any physical force here.

I think that's just wrong. If a cop is called to throw someone out of a bar, should they just tase him to the ground and drag him out, instead of just throwing him out bouncer style, knowing that it could possibly kill him?

o'dium wrote:
But it is all america's fault. Isn't america all "shoot first, shoot second, shoot a little bit more and then try and ask a question while shot dodging somebody else"?

And they're fat and stupid. Cup of tea?

Stereotypes rule :icon14:

phoq wrote:

o'dium wrote:
But it is all america's fault. Isn't america all "shoot first, shoot second, shoot a little bit more and then try and ask a question while shot dodging somebody else"?

And they're fat and stupid. Cup of tea?

Stereotypes rule :icon14:

Ever american i've met has been fat. I've bee nto florida 5 times and have been amazed by the fact some people just dont fall over. Its either 100% fat, or 100% muscle. Hardly any wimps, or normal guys. So meh...

o'dium wrote:

Underpants? wrote:christ you and eepberries need to get a fucking room and shout "IT'S ALWAYS AMERICA'S FAULT!" right before collapsing, spent in one anothers arms. It would be theraputic, i think.

But it is all america's fault. Isn't america all "shoot first, shoot second, shoot a little bit more and then try and ask a question while shot dodging somebody else"?

listen, you're making being armed to the teeth out to something always resulting in lethal endings. think of it like a swiss army knife, you got all yer tools in one handy little unit--when packing heat, you'll never need a ladder to get that pesky cat down, you don't need a doorbell to announce your presence, who in america uses turn signals? shoot the front tire of the guy next to you and voila! one empty lane. I mean, really.

rep wrote:
No, never on a lad. He might be trying to enjoy his crumpets.

fo shizzle, dawg

How about "not shoot anyody, not taze anybody, sort the situation out without violence"??

o'dium wrote:How about "not shoot anyody, not taze anybody, sort the situation out without violence"??

not a fucking chance.

tasers should be used instead of guns, as a way to bring down someone who is threatening someone elses life, not as an alternative to wrestling someone to the floor and cuffing them.

i thought the police were trained how to restrain someone, what sort of pussy needs a taser on a 14yr old kid?

damn your icon horton my dizziness is making my stomach ache

o'dium wrote:

phoq wrote:

o'dium wrote:
But it is all america's fault. Isn't america all "shoot first, shoot second, shoot a little bit more and then try and ask a question while shot dodging somebody else"?

And they're fat and stupid. Cup of tea?

Stereotypes rule :icon14:

Ever american i've met has been fat *snip* either 100% fat, or 100% muscle.

What will it be?

I've met plenty "normal guy" Americans at work here in the Netherlands. Sure some to most of them over there are overweight, but that's a problem more countries are facing these days.

o'dium wrote:How about "not shoot anyody, not taze anybody, sort the situation out without violence"??

Here's a good example of that technique:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/3 ... 2606c.html

emoticon wrote:

o'dium wrote:How about "not shoot anyody, not taze anybody, sort the situation out without violence"??

Here's a good example of that technique:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/3 ... 2606c.html

i think the fact that it was major fucking news, shows exactly how rare it is for the police to shoot someone, let alone an innocent man (who was running away, after being told to stop by armed police) is in the UK.

I wonder how many people have been shot by police in the UK, compared to other countries where the police seem a little more happy to draw their gun...

IF A YOU'RE A COPPER IN THE UK, SHOOT ALL BRAZILIANS.

AND YOU CIVILIANS IN THE UK, MAKE SURE YOU PUT AXES IN THE BACKS OF BLACK'S HEADS.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:IF A YOU'RE A COPPER IN THE UK, SHOOT ALL BRAZILIANS.

AND YOU CIVILIANS IN THE UK, MAKE SURE YOU PUT AXES IN THE BACKS OF BLACK'S HEADS.

If you are brazilian and living in london in the middle of a major anti-terrorist campaign, make sure you run away from any armed police you might see, because the guns they have are just for show, they wouldnt consider using them.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:AND YOU CIVILIANS IN THE UK, MAKE SURE YOU PUT AXES IN THE BACKS OF BLACK'S HEADS.

:lol: harsh