Turns out I'm a bleeding heart liberal, don't think I needed to answer 70-odd questions to know that. https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 3.1&s=89.4
Guys, just curious, who here lives in a place where you find that socialism actually works?
I lived in USSR, Russia, then Quebec for 20 years (the most social of the Canadian provinces) and in none of these places socialism worked properly. In QC especially it really messed things up for people who actually tried to do business.
I think most people like the sound of socialism. It's the actual socialism that people end up disliking. There are really only three things you have to realize in order to be successful in all aspects of life and none of them involve the government.
1. You have to work hard for what you want.
2. Nothing in life is free.
3. Life isn't fair.
The funny thing about socialist leanings is that people love sharing when it's (1)hypothetical or (2)it's not their own shit(ie poor people telling rich people to pay more taxes because it's fair; people being asked hypothetical questionnaires that will never be implemented simply because it was proposed)
I would love to sacrifice the lives of 1000 people to find ME the cure to some crazy disease that will 98% kill me, but not if I'm one of them.<--Socialism's main issue.
ToxicBug wrote:Guys, just curious, who here lives in a place where you find that socialism actually works?
I lived in USSR, Russia, then Quebec for 20 years (the most social of the Canadian provinces) and in none of these places socialism worked properly. In QC especially it really messed things up for people who actually tried to do business.
I live in Vermont and I meet about a dozen small business owners every week, and if any of them have a story about the government, it's one about them stifling business. I can't ever recall hearing a positive story, maybe once from a dispensary or vape shop or something. Most people I meet around here talk a pretty good liberal game, but not when it comes to their bottom line. You should see some of the roads in Vermont after winter, the potholes can get big enough to dent a rim if you're not careful. Everyone complains, but nobody wants to pay to fix it. Even I'm not immune, the town I live in has an expensive boarding school which defers tuition costs by jacking up property taxes. I pay $1000 more than the state average, which itself is 5th highest in the country.
I think people mostly mean the nordic model, capitalism with high taxes and more welfare programs vs straight socialism. I don't live there, so I don't know.
Transient wrote:I live in Vermont and I meet about a dozen small business owners every week, and if any of them have a story about the government, it's one about them stifling business.
no government = no business
unless these small businesses are going to tool up when their property rights get violated. good luck with that
Transient wrote:I live in Vermont and I meet about a dozen small business owners every week, and if any of them have a story about the government, it's one about them stifling business. I can't ever recall hearing a positive story, maybe once from a dispensary or vape shop or something. Most people I meet around here talk a pretty good liberal game, but not when it comes to their bottom line. You should see some of the roads in Vermont after winter, the potholes can get big enough to dent a rim if you're not careful. Everyone complains, but nobody wants to pay to fix it. Even I'm not immune, the town I live in has an expensive boarding school which defers tuition costs by jacking up property taxes. I pay $1000 more than the state average, which itself is 5th highest in the country.
There's more to gov't intervention in the economy than taxes. Even then, in QC taxes are high but corruption is also high and when tax money isn't stolen it's just used inefficiently. Meanwhile companies pack up and take their business elsewhere because of weird language laws, etc. Then people wonder why there's no money.