Anybody on Virgin Media in the UK? If so, you need to read t

[o'dium]

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/in ... affic.html

Well, what can I say, other than a great big "What the fuck"?

I'm on 20meg with these guys for a reason, and that reason is I need to download larger files now and again to and from my FTP. Otherwise, I wouldn't have 20meg, because I wouldn't need to download large files, so why bother.

But now they want to cut out speeds down if we download anything over 3gig in a night? Well thank you, but fuck off.

Looks like I'll be swapping ISP's...

[seremtan]

yeah Onetel are doing that shit now - at least that's the only explanation for why TDS comes down at dial-up speeds. either that or they're squeezing P2P, in which case it might be time to try usenet

[PhoeniX]

During peak times, the top 3% of downloaders on the Size: XL package download at least 3GB of traffic each, with the top 3% of uploaders uploading at least 1250MB of traffic each.

Any users hitting this amount during peak times (4pm till 9pm) will have their broadband speed temporarily traffic managed - their download speed will be set to 5Mb, with their upload speed set to 192Kb. This will last for 5 hours from when the traffic management policy is applied.

That's not so bad, it's only 5 hours and only applies between the above times.

My ISPs "peak hours" is between 8am and 6pm so think yourself lucky. (though I have 50Gb to play with between those times)

[o'dium]

You dont understand that its not if you go over 50gig, but if you use a few gig. If you download a few gig, then your speed drops to pointless speeds.

In other words, why pay for a service that you cnat use anyway, because if you use what you pay for , they take it off you?

Doesnt make sense to me.

[seremtan]

since we're in the EU, why can't we sign up to other countries' ISPs? i bet swedish ISPs don't throttle their users' bandwidth

also, when UK ISPs are forced to crack down on P2P (which they will be, you can bank on it) usenet might be worth looking into

[brisk]

Yeah, this was introduced months ago. I have been trafic shaped so many times, that I actually plan my main downloading outside the peak hours (working from home helps!).

Yes it is annoying. I'd rather they stopped increasing the speed of their service and just give us all a consistant service which doesn't get traffic shaped.

The problem is, which other ISPs offer a better service?

[brisk]

more bullshit

[o'dium]

See this worries me. As a dev I work from the office and from home, so my question really is who says whats right and wrong?

I often upload large (gigs) files, download large (gigs) files, upload/download .ogg, .mp3, .wav files, I use file sharing apps so share the media with other devs etc etc...

So whos to say I wont get a letter one day for illegal downloads, when its my own files I'm sending and receiving?

This is all bullshit. Pure bullshit. I know they have to stop illegal file sharing, but this is stopping me do the normal everyday things I NEED to do.

[obsidian]

My ISP is awesome. Zero throttling, traffic shaping or any other shenanigans. They left the office for a day to join a protest on Parliament Hill on my behalf. I think the company is run by magical Internet fairies.

On Tuesday, May 27th 2008, the TekSavvy staff will be at a rally on Parliament Hill, Ottawa, in the name of Net Neutrality, fighting for your Internet and Privacy rights. Therefore, we hope you will only make calls to the office if you believe it to be an emergency as this would greatly help us properly manage your needs. Staff will be on hand to ensure minimal to no delays to product activations and/or trouble tickets experienced due to this event.

We thank you in advance for your understanding and support.

[Don Carlos]

I use UK online and have recently been intoduce to Usenet. I owned 400 gig in a week and not a peep from my ISP. Most of the time I slap the large downloads on at about 11pm and leave them going over night but still, you would have thought that 400gig might have raised an email or something but No. 8meg, no lag and a quality service for £20 a month

[obsidian]

This is all bullshit. Pure bullshit. I know they have to stop illegal file sharing, but this is stopping me do the normal everyday things I NEED to do.

Do you really think your ISP give a fart about you downloading illegal stuff? At worse, they'll have a bit of pressure from the movie and music industries, but legally the ISP's are not responsible for that anyway. This has to do with ISP's not willing to invest in better technologies, wanting to offer you less for more, and basically trying to suck as much money out of your pockets as their grubby little fingers can get. Otherwise, if most illegal files weren't GB's worth of stuff, ISP's wouldn't give a rats ass.

[Captain]

Nurdz speak out, also boobs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5ZR_jx ... re=related

[o'dium]

Fucking boobs

[PhoeniX]

You dont understand that its not if you go over 50gig, but if you use a few gig. If you download a few gig, then your speed drops to pointless speeds.

In other words, why pay for a service that you cnat use anyway, because if you use what you pay for , they take it off you?

Doesnt make sense to me.

Yeah I understand what their doing, with mine if i go over 50gb a month (or 100gb due to bandwidth roll-over) my download drops to 64 kb or something and I'm on 8Mb.

All I'm saying is being dropped to 5Mb for about 5 hours isn't that bad, but I do agree that you're effectively paying for something you're not receiving which is unfair.

But didn't NTL use to do something similar where the effectively said you were only allowed to use 1Gb per day?

[o'dium]

Bandwidth caps I can deal with, we have had those forever. As long as they increase the cap with the high speeds, I'm good. The 20meg one I have has no cap (but probably a fair use policy of X gig that I wouldn't hit.).

[seremtan]

I use UK online and have recently been intoduce to Usenet. I owned 400 gig in a week and not a peep from my ISP. Most of the time I slap the large downloads on at about 11pm and leave them going over night but still, you would have thought that 400gig might have raised an email or something but No. 8meg, no lag and a quality service for £20 a month

which usenet provider do you use that costs that? even the diamond giganews account doesn't cost that much

also, does it use SSL?

[o'dium]

Yeah, I'm a leaching cunt and use my mates, and his is 20 times cheaper than that

[Grenader]

I'm on TitanADSL right now, great company, just a reseller of Entanet. I've only had one issue from the broadband with them, the great thing is that the is no traffic shaping or port blocking, runs sweet as a daisy.

Edit : Also, Titan offices run on virgin media, HAHA.

[c0ld]

Nurdz speak out, also boobs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5ZR_jx ... re=related

Didn't think it would take this long in the thread before this was mentioned. I'm amazed many of you net savvy fairly liberal types here still use virgin after they boldly came out and said net neutrality is "a load of bollocks".
I will say I'm surprised they have the decided to slip another dick in their costumers ass so soon.

[seremtan]

costumers

[Don Carlos]

I use UK online and have recently been intoduce to Usenet. I owned 400 gig in a week and not a peep from my ISP. Most of the time I slap the large downloads on at about 11pm and leave them going over night but still, you would have thought that 400gig might have raised an email or something but No. 8meg, no lag and a quality service for £20 a month

which usenet provider do you use that costs that? even the diamond giganews account doesn't cost that much

also, does it use SSL?

I seem to have confused matters

Use net has cost me £20 for 3 months (Astraweb + newzbins access) but my ISP costs me £20 a month

[Dave]

lol... I exceeded my bandwidth limits

[Don Carlos]

ZOMGAH!!

[vesp]

This along with all the nonsense concerning the BBC...

If you don't remember, ISP's were wanting the BBC to pay them for providing some quality internet content, because apparently it was causing too much traffic - Basically, they can't provide for the services that they advertise.

It's total nobcheese, and yet more evidence that broadband provision in the UK is pure and utter shite.

[DRuM]

Yeah, this traffic management is old news. I've been with VM cable for a while now, only on the 2MB though, at £10 a month. I get restricted to about half my download speed if I go over 300mb from 4pm for a few hours. I think it's pretty bad that they restrict what people are paying for.

But regarding illegal content, I can understand them getting concerned, considering just how fast massive files can be downloaded these days. Especially when VM's 50MBit service gets under way. Also, I don't think there's many options for changing ISP if you want cable, unless you're happy to go with shitty adsl. The way I see it, virgin media has a bit of a monopoly going.