NRA official suggests possibly arming teachers

Post by **tnf** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:06 am

As a teacher, I have mixed emotions about this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7297575/

Before I give my opinions, I'd be interested to hear others.

Post by **SOAPboy** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:10 am

Serious criminal background checks.. but all in all, dont see TO much of a issue with it..

*shrugs

Post by **tnf** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:14 am

Possibility of Atlanta courtroom situations...who decides who gets armed....should little old lady teachers be allowed to pack when someone could easily overpower them and get the gun...etc. etc...

I see a ton of potential issues with it.
However, that isn't to say there wouldn't be situations where it could be a deterrent or even save lives. But the amount of training it would require for teachers to be trained in using a gun in a crowded classroom, hallway, with all hell breaking loose would probably be substantial and expensive.

Post by **rep** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:14 am

I've had my share of nutty teachers. Bringing a gun in any environment like this is detrimental to the educational process - free thinking, exchanging of ideas without fear of getting fucking shot, etc.

Plus, I almost hit a teacher during a fight in High School. Lord knows he would have tried to shoot me, but I would have caught the bullet with my eyelashes and used them to flick it back at him at the speed of light. Then he would shoot another round, and I would have flexed my tricep as the bullet hit, making the bullet flatten out into a foot wide frisbee, which I would then punch a hole through with my dick, and use my finger as a lathe to spin it around, while it's sharpened between my balls due to the tremendous weight and pressure from each teste on the metal. Then I would have thrown it at him, and he would have blinked, and said, "It didn't hit me. I... -- I..." and his head would then slide off.

Large schools have security and a police officer. School security isn't all that great for heavy duty situations.

I suggest arming school security with pepper spray guns (The kind that shoot 20-30 feet away) and have an arsenal of riot/situation control weaponry stored somewhere... Rubber bullet launchers, tear gas, shields, etc.

Oh yeah, and ban first person shooter video games. It's all FINAL DOOM and RISE OF THE TRIAD's fault, here in 2005. Parenting? What's that?d

Post by **tnf** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:21 am

We've got a full time officer on duty, and police response to our school (since it is right in the middle of downtown) is very short. I had a student almost hit me during a fight I broke up a couple months ago. A few seconds later he was pinned against the locker with a forearm under his chin. And he fought me every step of the way as I told him to calm down. I'd hold him there while he threatened to 'fucking kill' the kid behind me. I let go of him, and said 'you done?' and he tried to run right through me to get at the other guy, so it was right back against the locker. That happened about 4 times until other people showed up. It took some force to keep him still, but it was the safest situation for both him and the other guy involved.

As for exchanging ideas 'without the fear of being shot' - that's a bit extreme.

Post by **rep** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:29 am

So you teach fourth graders?

Eh...

Remember that video posted a few weeks ago? I had some teachers that were worse than that, and the students weren't being dicks to them.

Post by **tnf** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:35 am

rep wrote:So you teach fourth graders?

Eh...

Wow, you scorched me there.

As for having angry teachers...if you spouted 1/10th of the ignorant shit then that you do here, well...

Post by **Scourge** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:35 am

I think it has a lot of bad issues that would be inherent. As you said, students could get access to the guns by overpowering the teachers or stealing them outright. Also the odd teacher that finally has enough and decides to go postal and shoot up a class or whatever.

On the positive side, it could be a deterent in violent student behavior or possibly diffuse a dangerous situation. But overall I think it would probably be a bad idea.

Post by **lars63** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:08 am

Trained security officer in each room if you have to go to arming someone and let the teachers do what they do best. Teach.

It's a real shame our schools have gone this far that it requires guns to keep peace in the class rooms. Jesus tnf you should be getting combat pay

Post by **SplishSplash** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:25 pm

Definite NO.

Too many teachers are completely crazy.
Today they throw chalk at you, tomorrow they'll shoot you.

Post by **Arkleseizure** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:29 pm

Chalk? Shit...try sharpened pencils.

Post by **Jackal** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:59 pm

If they ever tried to give me a gun while teaching I would just laugh in their faces.
What a great message to teach kids. Your country is going shit-ass bonkers.

Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:41 pm

Yeah, that's about the dumbest shit I've heard since the last time Testo posted.

Post by **eepberries** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:41 pm

Arming teachers?
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Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:55 pm

just give everyone a gun to carry around at all times, and everyone will be safe

Post by **tnf** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:15 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:just give everyone a gun to carry around at all times, and everyone will be safe

Sadly, many people in the states tend to think that is the case. Arm everybody.

Post by **tnf** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:16 pm

Pretty soon we will have classroom marshals, dressed up like ordinary students, with a bit more facial hair, in the classroom. Just like the sky marshal program.

Post by **Psyche911** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:53 pm

...no fucking way. I can't believe that.

What the fuck is wrong with that organization (NRA)?

Post by **blood.angel** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:56 pm

Psyche911 wrote:...no fucking way. I can't believe that.

What the fuck is wrong with that organization (NRA)?

Its full of yanks.

And I agree that teachers should be armed.
Itll make it easier for the wannabe mass killers to get more guns and ammo to kill their fellow classmates. They'll be able to kill more if every tenth person they shoot has ammo on them.
ITLL BE LIKE A REAL LIFE VIDEO GAME WITH THE ENEMY DROPPING AMMO!

Post by **Fender** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:34 pm

How about a camera (or 2) in every room instead? Make all the recordings freely available on the schools' intranet
Privacy issues...?

Post by **Chemical Burn** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:37 pm

Arming teachers? No. :icon27:

And I'm speaking as a pro-firearm person. Putting firearms in schools is just asking for something stupid to happen.

Post by **Transient** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:23 am

More often than not, people who have guns for protection in their home have them used against them during a burglary. I don't see that changing in a classroom.

So, no.

Post by **R00k** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:59 am

I think it's a horrible idea. I could maybe understand having a trained, armed security guard for the really nasty schools, but even that is hard for me to accept.

I can't believe this is coming up in discussion when we won't allow commercial pilots to carry guns though. :icon27:

Post by **tnf** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:27 am

We already have that Rook. Most schools around here have a "Resource Officer" - basically a cop who works full time in the building.

Remember, though, this idea (guns for teachers) has not been NEARLY as discussed or suggested as much as letting pilots have guns. It was simply one nutjob NRA administrator's suggestion - like the article said - he just was saying "everything is on the table."

It won't ever happen. Even if I had the choice, I wouldn't anyhow. TBH - I think if a kid comes to class with a gun, you have a better chance of de-escalating the situation and avoiding violence if you aren't carrying a gun than if you are.

To play devil's advocate, there are obviously situations where you might imagine a teacher with a gun saving the day - but the bottom line is, those scenarios (as far as I can imagine them) are a small percentage of all the other, bad scenarios I can think of.

Nowadays, though, you have to think. It crosses my mind when I am disciplining a kid - is this kid going to flip out and come back tomorrow to shoot me in the parking lot? I don't worry about it that much, because usually the kids that are real disciplinary pains in the ass are actually just looking for attention in some way, shape, or form. The ones to watch for are the kids who are feeling completely helpless - bullied, etc., and not being helped by the system like they should have. So, I tend to make sure that nobody gives anybody shit (except for good natured joking) in my class, the hallway, or wherever.
But my school is pretty good about that stuff - we have a very diverse student body, and everyone really does get along (meaning you don't see one 'group' picking on another frequently...i.e. the jocks aren't picking on the goths, kids can sit down in the hall and play their PokemanYuGiOhMagictheGathering card games right next to about anyone and nobody says a word.)

Post by **R00k** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:43 am

Yea I have to admit I didn't read the article, just tossed my $0.02 in. :icon30:

Your school sounds like it has a good atmosphere though; I wish they got along like that everywhere - I know mine wasn't quite that relaxed. I have to wonder how much of that is a result of having a good teaching/administration staff, and how much is the difference in students and their home environments. I'm sure it's a lot of both of course - and that there are a lot more factors involved than that - but I still wonder if one has more weight than the other.