They signed a law which allows any employer to immediately fire (no reason needs to be given) employees under age 26 and with less than 2 years employment.
Christ, noone sees a problem with discriminating against people on the basis of their age?
once you're over a basic threshold for protection, say, 18 or 21 or whatever it is for each country, that's it. Continuting to discriminate is a load of fucking bullshit.
Idiots.
"Maybe you have some bird ideas. Maybe that’s the best you can do."
― Terry A. Davis
Dek wrote:wow.. here in Florida.. US of AYYYYY... You can be fired for no reason what so ever, no matter your age or length of employment.
At-will rule emplyment at it's finest.
i doubt thats true in general - i would expect McDonald's workers to have no employment protection (who cares of course), but in ur news its clear that federal government workers, teachers at universities, law firm partners, are almost impossible to fire.
One would assume it just depends what ur employment contract says.
Fender wrote:Anyone that thinks France's labor law are good is an idiot.
This new law is a step in the right direction.
Before this, did the law discriminate in favor of younger employees?
I don't know anything about French labor law at all, but the blurb I read sounded like this new law is targeting younger people - that doesn't seem like it would be fair, unless they are just bringing younger people under the same policies and rules everyone else is.
Foo wrote:Christ, noone sees a problem with discriminating against people on the basis of their age?
once you're over a basic threshold for protection, say, 18 or 21 or whatever it is for each country, that's it. Continuting to discriminate is a load of fucking bullshit.
Idiots.
I think about a million protestors have a problem with it
Dek wrote:wow.. here in Florida.. US of AYYYYY... You can be fired for no reason what so ever, no matter your age or length of employment.
At-will rule emplyment at it's finest.
i doubt thats true in general - i would expect McDonald's workers to have no employment protection (who cares of course), but in ur news its clear that federal government workers, teachers at universities, law firm partners, are almost impossible to fire.
One would assume it just depends what ur employment contract says.
Exactly right. There are a lot of places where it's almost impossible to fire someone for job performance reasons.
Some would say that's the companies' faults for their policies, but federal "sue-happy" laws have contributed a great deal to organizations being afraid to fire people of minorities or the female gender.
I know quite a few case studies of just that, right here in my building.
Fender wrote:Anyone that thinks France's labor law are good is an idiot.
This new law is a step in the right direction.
Before this, did the law discriminate in favor of younger employees?
I don't know anything about French labor law at all, but the blurb I read sounded like this new law is targeting younger people - that doesn't seem like it would be fair, unless they are just bringing younger people under the same policies and rules everyone else is.
As I understand it, basically you can't fire someone under 26 without government permission. Now they propose to be able to fire someone in their first two years for whatever reason. Basically, what this means is that it is REALLY hard to fire new employees. And what happens? Companies hire fewer people, of course. The unemployment rate for people under 30 is in the double digits in France. Why? Because it is impossible to fire the incompetent. This law will help change that. If France doesn't have some major labor reform, they will simply see all the employers leave.
Foo wrote:Christ, noone sees a problem with discriminating against people on the basis of their age?
once you're over a basic threshold for protection, say, 18 or 21 or whatever it is for each country, that's it. Continuting to discriminate is a load of fucking bullshit.
Idiots.
I think about a million protestors have a problem with it
here, I mean. Everyone seems to have the view that just becuase a large number of people find it abhorrent, they have to take the opposite view just to stay cool and unique.
lawl.
"Maybe you have some bird ideas. Maybe that’s the best you can do."
― Terry A. Davis
Fender wrote:Anyone that thinks France's labor law are good is an idiot.
This new law is a step in the right direction.
Before this, did the law discriminate in favor of younger employees?
I don't know anything about French labor law at all, but the blurb I read sounded like this new law is targeting younger people - that doesn't seem like it would be fair, unless they are just bringing younger people under the same policies and rules everyone else is.
As I understand it, basically you can't fire someone under 26 without government permission. Now they propose to be able to fire someone in their first two years for whatever reason. Basically, what this means is that it is REALLY hard to fire new employees. And what happens? Companies hire fewer people, of course. The unemployment rate for people under 30 is in the double digits in France. Why? Because it is impossible to fire the incompetent. This law will help change that. If France doesn't have some major labor reform, they will simply see all the employers leave.
If that's the case, this is a huge step in the right direction.
Government permission to fire someone under a certain age? That's just ridiculous, no wonder companies would leave - who wouldn't? :icon27:
And all the people over 26 in France could be fired at a moment's notice, just like here in the U.S? Sounds like a law that discriminated in favor of young people from the start.
Dek wrote:wow.. here in Florida.. US of AYYYYY... You can be fired for no reason what so ever, no matter your age or length of employment.
At-will rule emplyment at it's finest.
We have the same rule now coming int force in Australia.
Personally I don't see the problem with it. Previously a lazy, incompetent employee could keep his job due to technicalities, technicalities which they can no longer hide behind. An employer is never going to fire someone who is competent and hard-working, as it would only serve to hinder his own business. The only people who will be affected by such a law are those who do not deserve the job they are in.
Fender wrote:
As I understand it, basically you can't fire someone under 26 without government permission. Now they propose to be able to fire someone in their first two years for whatever reason. Basically, what this means is that it is REALLY hard to fire new employees. And what happens? Companies hire fewer people, of course. The unemployment rate for people under 30 is in the double digits in France. Why? Because it is impossible to fire the incompetent. This law will help change that. If France doesn't have some major labor reform, they will simply see all the employers leave.
Nail on head. And the exact reason france has such a very shitty economy at the moment.
They signed a law which allows any employer to immediately fire (no reason needs to be given) employees under age 26 and with less than 2 years employment.
