What do you want from a deathmatch game?

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:45 pm

Seeing as Doom 3 and Quake 4 MP didn't pan out to be what we thought they would be what is it exactlly you DMers want from an online DM game?

Tell me everything.

Post by **MKJ** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:46 pm

a match to the death !!

Post by **Denz** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:48 pm

Quake 3 seems to be a pretty good DM game

Post by **DiscoDave** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:49 pm

For me I like team based, tactical deathmatch games. It's why I like playing CS : Source and Day of Defeat source but its rare when people in these games work as a team, unless you know them all. However if you play on a server with a bunch of your mates it can get quite good.

A good community doesn't go a miss aswell. I used to love playing Tribes 2 because of the gameplay and the community that came with it.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:52 pm

What about the core combat? Which style do you prefer? Slower paced CS style stuff with innacurate weapons or Quake 3 style speed stuff with weapons that shoot where they're surposed to?

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:52 pm

DiscoDave wrote:
I used to love playing Tribes 2 because of the gameplay and the community that came with it.

MORON ALERT!!!...

Post by **DiscoDave** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:54 pm

Depends on my mood to be honest. If im pissed off i'll go for quake style action to get the adrenaline going. Normally i'll play games like Counter Strike, DOD, Battlefield 2 etc. Mainly because i prefer the slower pace and building up to a battle or tactically planning what I/My squad should do next.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:55 pm

well those games ain't deathmatch games...quake is though so obviously ur an asshole...

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:04 pm

I used to play Action Q2, never really got into the whole Deathamtahc side of base Quake though 2/3. Quake World I played a bit. I prefere team based games too, i used to love Counter Strike until they gayed it up

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:07 pm

How much of an impact does the artistic style and direction of a game have on how much you enjoy it?

Post by **DiscoDave** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:08 pm

o'dium wrote:I used to play Action Q2, never really got into the whole Deathamtahc side of base Quake though 2/3. Quake World I played a bit. I prefere team based games too, i used to love Counter Strike until they gayed it up

Oh aye, old CS was the shit back in the day

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:08 pm

who is u motherfucker?...

Post by **Denz** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:10 pm

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:How much of an impact does the artistic style and direction of a game have on how much you enjoy it?

The only thing that I care in MP is the flow of the map. The walls can be blank.

SP side I like all the goodies.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:12 pm

Do you prefer your character to develop skills over time or do you want everything to be down to your actions from the start?

Post by **Denz** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:13 pm

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Do you prefer your character to develop skills over time or do you want everything to be down to your actions from the start?

Develop skills over time.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:14 pm

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Do you prefer your character to develop skills over time or do you want everything to be down to your actions from the start?

dr. phil?...

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:15 pm

Denz wrote:
Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Do you prefer your character to develop skills over time or do you want everything to be down to your actions from the start?
Develop skills over time.

So you're interested in certain rpg elements?

Post by **DiscoDave** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:16 pm

Denz wrote: Develop skills over time.

Post by **DiscoDave** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:16 pm

Freakaloin wrote: dr. phil?...

Moron?

Post by **Denz** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:17 pm

hummm. That's a good question, I probably meant how quake 3 is, it takes practice to get good. So I would have to change my answer then. I get where you're going with that question now.

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:19 pm

Well, art has hardly anything to do with it. Look at Action Q2, it was ugly as fuck made by a few kids who got bored. Yet it rocked so hard. Then look at Quake 4. Sure Quake 4's design is a bit off bu the graphics are top notch. Yet i cant stand to play Quake 4.

Its got more to do with the fun factor than the visual factor. Quake 4 is just so dull to play...?

The same can be said about CS and CS:S. CS before 1.5 was amazing to play, it was just "right" then they changed everything, it went downhil, and they changed more. Then we ended up with CS:Source which isn't anything like the "fun" original, but just sucks ass. Its obvious its leaps and bounds ahead in terms of visuals, but its just not fun to play.

Graphics only play a part when your forced to change them because the game wont run on your system. Although I can play anything out max detail and smooth, i just cant bring myself to play Quake 4 online... Its just... Dull...?

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:22 pm

I'm not talking about bump maps and pushed polys odium, i'm talking about theme...art direction...style.

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:33 pm

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:I'm not talking about bump maps and pushed polys odium, i'm talking about theme...art direction...style.

Well in terms of that, its pretty obvious. I dont want to go into a game setting where there are 90 foot tall robots, killer cyborgs etc and shoot them with a weapon thats been here for 10 years anyway.

Quake 4 bombed because it wasn't right. They had all thes econcept drawings, all that back catalog stuff they could pick from Quake 2, and they just went with the most boring over doen style ever... Standard future setting polish. Show a kid a pic of Quake 4 and he could think it was Halo 2. It had nothing to just say "hey, this game stands out". Even the guns were rips of OTHER guns. Sure, its called a hyper blaster, but we all know its NOT a hyper blaster.

See back when Quake 2 was around we didn't have a lot. We had Quake 2, which LOOKED like Quake 2 (Muddy brown textures). We had Unreal, which LOOKED like Unreal. (Amazing big outdoor bits with colours everwhere). We even had our console FPS games like Goldeneye, which again LOOKED like Goldeneye. Now however, every game that comes out seems to be a direct rip of another with a few things changes. Quake 4 LOOKS like Halo 2 etc.

The problem is ideas are a hard thing to come by, but getting people to follow new ideas is even more of a bitch. Its all well and good saying you want a new game with new features thats never been done, but will people REALLY follow?

Heres an idea. Look at your game shelf. What type of games do you play? SOF2? Quake? FarCry? Thief 3? HL2? Well, would you INSTANTLY buy a game where your lead player is somebody who DOESNT kill everybody? Would you INSTANTLY buy a game where when you hit somebody, blood doesn't come out? Would you INSTANTLY buy a game where the gun isn't on the screen and isn't anywhere, because you have to go around stealing things off them instead?

Or would you INSTANTLY buy a game where your lead charecter is a hard ass marine who can hold an army worth of weapons on his back and can shoot the living shit out of anything?

Sure you may not buy it instantly, but it will register in your brain as a posibility, over "Super Furry Ferrit Jumpers".

Same with Deathmatching really. What is Deathmatch? Its about a group of people out for themself who have to kill as many people as possible while controlling certain areas of the map, in an atempt to have the most frags to win. You cant really change that to much before its not longer "deathmatch". Quake 4 did Deathmatch, it did it perfectly, but it was the game behind it that was just so dull and boring. Sure it had the Quake 3 style powerups, the Quake 3 sounds etc, but people moaned it wasn't "Quake 3".

The main problem is that people refuse to let go. People refust to change, to try something new. So now, we are forced to play Quake 19, Unreal 47 and Half Life 73, becaue they KNOW we really want it.

Me, I've been stuck at my DS constantly for the past few months. Games like Mario And Luigi 2, Another Code and Resident Evil DS have kept me going. I've done platformers, RPG's, Point and Click and survival horror games before, but hey, now i get to use this new touch screen stuff. ITS VERY COOL.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:36 pm

Again you didn't answer my question, you just waffledbollocked.

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:41 pm

You asked about theme and art direction, and i talked about it. If you cant read or comprehand the answers you get, i suggest posting on a forum which deals with replies more catered towards your actual IQ.