gg free speech

Post by **Fender** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:00 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/ ... index.html

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:10 pm

after reading the article, i'm glad they were not talking about Billy.

btw, free speech indeed.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:12 pm

i can play the bass better with my cock and balls...

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:14 pm

Freakaloin wrote:i can play the bass better with my cock and balls...

just like the drums?

Post by **diego** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:47 pm

Billy and I e-mail each other from time to time. jellus..?

Post by **mrd** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:06 pm

Freakaloin wrote:i can play the bass better with my cock and balls...

hah..unlikely. Billy is a fckin mind-bending bassist.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:39 pm

if u say so...reminds me of that steve vai style...prentious gayness...

Post by **Geebs** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:50 pm

Stu Hamm is much funkier

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:54 pm

i agree - so is Les.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:01 pm

les really can play with his cock and balls...

Post by **R00k** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:03 pm

Yea, saw the story this morning, it's pretty ridiculous. She was there on invite from a Senator, and got roughly arrested for a t-shirt, which she was never warned about or even asked to cover up (as if that would really be any better).

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml

I had just sat down and I was warm from climbing 3 flights of stairs back up from the bathroom so I unzipped my jacket. I turned to the right to take my left arm out, when the same officer saw my shirt and yelled, "Protester." He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat, and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs. I said something like "I'm going, do you have to be so rough?" By the way, his name is Mike Weight.

The officer ran with me to the elevators, yelling at everyone to move out of the way. When we got to the elevators, he cuffed me and took me outside to await a squad car. On the way out, someone behind me said, "That's Cindy Sheehan." At which point the officer who arrested me said, "Take these steps slowly." I said, "You didn't care about being careful when you were dragging me up the other steps." He said, "That's because you were protesting." Wow, I got hauled out of the People's House because I was "Protesting."

I was never told that I couldn't wear that shirt into the Congress. I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things ... I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later. I was immediately and roughly (I have the bruises and muscle spasms to prove it) hauled off and arrested for "unlawful conduct."

I guess nobody tells soldiers that they are dying for Bush's version of Freedom(tm) instead of the real thing.

How many soldiers would still sign up and fight, if they knew the President would have their mother arrested for a t-shirt?

Post by **Dave** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:10 pm

Free speech or not, the galleries have a dress code. Some republican congressman's wife was asked to cover up too for wearing a "support our troops" shirt according to the article.

As far as believing the government's claim that they asked Sheehan to cover up verus her claim they didn't is irrelevant because without some kind of video, you can't prove it either way.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:12 pm

the dress code is for the public officials...not the public moron...

Post by **diego** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:15 pm

what is a public moron, moron?

Post by **R00k** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:22 pm

Dave wrote:Free speech or not, the galleries have a dress code. Some republican congressman's wife was asked to cover up too for wearing a "support our troops" shirt according to the article.

As far as believing the government's claim that they asked Sheehan to cover up verus her claim they didn't is irrelevant because without some kind of video, you can't prove it either way.

There we have it - there was a good reason for her being roughly arrested, and free speech doesn't apply in this case. :icon14:

Who cares that it was a dead soldier's mother, who probably represents as many Americans as any Congressman in the room? It all sounds very reasonable.

Post by **Dave** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:37 pm

Freakaloin wrote:the dress code is for the public officials...not the public moron...

I've been there.. I was told I had to dress properly

Post by **Dave** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:39 pm

R00k wrote:
Dave wrote:Free speech or not, the galleries have a dress code. Some republican congressman's wife was asked to cover up too for wearing a "support our troops" shirt according to the article.

As far as believing the government's claim that they asked Sheehan to cover up verus her claim they didn't is irrelevant because without some kind of video, you can't prove it either way.
There we have it - there was a good reason for her being roughly arrested, and free speech doesn't apply in this case. :icon14:

Who cares that it was a dead soldier's mother, who probably represents as many Americans as any Congressman in the room? It all sounds very reasonable.

I'm not supporting either side. All I'm saying is that I dont think we can really know what happened. I don't believe her and I don't believe the Capitol Police

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:41 pm

Dave wrote:
Freakaloin wrote:the dress code is for the public officials...not the public moron...
I've been there.. I was told I had to dress properly

well when u cum in wearing half a dress and half a football uniform...uh yeah they r gonna say that...

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:42 pm

and why would cindy lie about what happened?...

Post by **Dave** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:44 pm

Freakaloin wrote:and why would cindy lie about what happened?...

Why not? Sympathy? Agenda? n e questions?

Post by **Freakaloin** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:47 pm

but there were witnesses and pictures and film of it...those lies too?...

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:51 pm

Dave wrote:Free speech or not, the galleries have a dress code. Some republican congressman's wife was asked to cover up too for wearing a "support our troops" shirt according to the article.

As far as believing the government's claim that they asked Sheehan to cover up verus her claim they didn't is irrelevant because without some kind of video, you can't prove it either way.

That fascist dress code can suck a fat mule cawk.

"Did you know that in 1971, the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional to arrest a man who wore a "F--- the Draft" T-shirt into the courthouse? (Cohen v. California, you can look it up.) "

source: http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytoo ... 02734.html

Post by **Dave** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:55 pm

I dont know if the code even exists.. I was looking for some evidence of it, but I don't see anythingt hat jumps out on the site. I don't have a problem with it... I'm not suggesting these buildings are 'sacred' or whatever,but the idea of a dress code does not bother me

Post by **Dave** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:57 pm

Freakaloin wrote:but there were witnesses and pictures and film of it...those lies too?...

Pictures tell you an instance, not a story. You can't tell from a picture if she was asked to cover her shirt. You can tell from a video, however. Since video/still cameras aren't allowed in the galleries, all you see is what happened after she was removed from the gallery.

As far as witnesses, I haven't read enough statements, nor do I know who the witnesses are. Are they Sheehan's friends? Do they have an interest in the anti-war movement? Are they impartial third parties? I have to answer those questions before I can belive or not believe their testimony.

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:24 pm

Dave wrote:but the idea of a dress code does not bother me

It bothers the shit right out of me when it's used as an excuse to arrest someone that doesn't march in lockstep with the powers that be. Why wasn't congressman cuntface's wife arrested?