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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:26 am
by Nightshade
That's what the cops call a "come along" hold, and yes, it's very effective.
And I believe it was Greg "The Hammer" Valentine that made the figure 4 leglock famous.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:27 am
by tnf
Nature boy and him were about the same time with it, I believe. Both in the 70s/early 80s.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:29 am
by Nightshade
Yup, and I liked "Iron Man" Ivan Putski better than both of them.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:29 am
by tnf
Ahh putski. the polish powerhouse.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:30 am
by tnf
tito santana also used the figure 4.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:33 am
by feedback
tnf wrote:@feedback
no no...the figure 4 leglock made famous by the nature boy rick flair.
By the way, there is a hold I used to use while dealing with drunks, but i can't remember the name of it. It would start with a simple armbar/arm lock- if they tried to pull forward with their bicep, I would let them, then slide my left hand over their arm, as their forearm came closer to their bicep I woudl have my left hand kind of wedged between the forearm and bicep, my right hand holding their wrist/hand. From this position, i could apply minimal pressure and create a lot of pain in the rotator cuff/elbow/wrist. If they really tried to fight it, or tried to throw a punch with the other hand, I could really rip on it and probably dislocate the elbow, tear the rotator. Alternatively, I could sweep their leg and drop them - again, because they were in a pretty compromised position. Any idea what the 'name' of that armlock is?
I can take a video of me throwing it on my wife and dropping her with it if need be. heh.
It's hard to tell from just writing, but it could be a kimura lock. It's not like a standing version of this, is it?
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:35 am
by feedback
Nightshade wrote:That's what the cops call a "come along" hold, and yes, it's very effective.
And I believe it was Greg "The Hammer" Valentine that made the figure 4 leglock famous.
I think a "come along" hold is the general name used for any pain/injury complience technique.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:38 am
by tnf
feedback wrote:tnf wrote:@feedback
no no...the figure 4 leglock made famous by the nature boy rick flair.
By the way, there is a hold I used to use while dealing with drunks, but i can't remember the name of it. It would start with a simple armbar/arm lock- if they tried to pull forward with their bicep, I would let them, then slide my left hand over their arm, as their forearm came closer to their bicep I woudl have my left hand kind of wedged between the forearm and bicep, my right hand holding their wrist/hand. From this position, i could apply minimal pressure and create a lot of pain in the rotator cuff/elbow/wrist. If they really tried to fight it, or tried to throw a punch with the other hand, I could really rip on it and probably dislocate the elbow, tear the rotator. Alternatively, I could sweep their leg and drop them - again, because they were in a pretty compromised position. Any idea what the 'name' of that armlock is?
I can take a video of me throwing it on my wife and dropping her with it if need be. heh.
It's hard to tell from just writing, but it could be a kimura lock. It's not like a standing version of this, is it?
Yea, looks similar to that but standing. Works very well, and is very easy to do.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:42 am
by SoM
ToxicBug wrote:I'm so tough looking that nobody even thinks about challenging me to a fight.
i challenge you
come to T.O
damn USSR freak
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:42 am
by Nightshade
feedback wrote:Nightshade wrote:That's what the cops call a "come along" hold, and yes, it's very effective.
And I believe it was Greg "The Hammer" Valentine that made the figure 4 leglock famous.
I think a "come along" hold is the general name used for any pain/injury complience technique.
Could be, but the one tnf's description reminded me of is always done standing, you right arm between opponent's left arm and ribs.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:00 am
by Iccy (temp)
At this point in my life i dont "fight". You will only get me to swing if your hurting someone i love or threating my life, at which point i will try to kill you.
But i guess to answer, i studies martial arts for many years, i can hold my own.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:39 am
by MaCaBr3
Never fought in my life, so have no idea.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:49 am
by AmIdYfReAk
i've backhanded a few people in my day, but that was back in NAM when men slappign eachother was considered fighting.. and was quickly resolved with a duel.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:49 am
by bitWISE
Never been a fight but if were ever angry enough to have a disregard for the law I would fucking kill someone. Most of the time nothing bothers me but I have a temper that even I'm afraid of.
Now a self defense situation might be different. I've never been threatened seriously nor have I ever been hit. I think if I got caught off guard like that it would be all over.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:58 am
by eepberries
I don't know. I've never fought before, and to be honest I'd rather keep it that way unless I had to (self defense). I can't understand morons who get into fights over stupid trivial shit. In my opinion, if somebody annoys you or pisses you off, they aren't worth your time. You should just move on.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:01 am
by R00k
I've only been in a few fights and try to avoid them. The ones I have been in, I only barely remember. Once the fighting starts everything kinda goes hazy, and all of them so far have ended up with the other guy on the ground. I can't really say that I'm a good fighter because I don't really know. I've done quite a bit of sparring and boxing just for recreation, and I'm super quick with good reflexes and strong jabs and hooks, but that doesn't always mean much in a real fight.
That's the main reason I've been interested in taking martial arts - to learn how to control myself and my temper, because I don't like how I pretty much black out and go crazy, at all. I seriously doubt it's healthy, and it could easily wind up with me getting hurt badly. I've researched some different styles, but I've never followed through and taken any classes.
But I try to avoid fights anyway. The only times I've ever been in any were when me or my friends were in trouble and I had to.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:19 am
by losCHUNK
there will always be someone that can/will fill you in no matter how hard you think you are
that day has yet to come for me but i know how its gunna happen
i just hope the dude hitting 10 tons of shit into me has more morals in fighting than i do
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:30 am
by mjrpes
R00k wrote:
That's the main reason I've been interested in taking martial arts - to learn how to control myself and my temper, because I don't like how I pretty much black out and go crazy, at all.
BERSERK MODE!
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:46 am
by glossy
i can usually hold my own in a street fight, but not against weapons or anyone that's too heavy (>90kg... i'm 60kg)
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:55 am
by bitWISE
R00k wrote:I've only been in a few fights and try to avoid them. The ones I have been in, I only barely remember. Once the fighting starts everything kinda goes hazy, and all of them so far have ended up with the other guy on the ground. I can't really say that I'm a good fighter because I don't really know. I've done quite a bit of sparring and boxing just for recreation, and I'm super quick with good reflexes and strong jabs and hooks, but that doesn't always mean much in a real fight.
That's the main reason I've been interested in taking martial arts - to learn how to control myself and my temper, because I don't like how I pretty much black out and go crazy, at all. I seriously doubt it's healthy, and it could easily wind up with me getting hurt badly. I've researched some different styles, but I've never followed through and taken any classes.
But I try to avoid fights anyway. The only times I've ever been in any were when me or my friends were in trouble and I had to.
I've been tempted to learn martial arts because I would have the best teacher now. My gf's grandfather, George Annarino, has recieved all kinds of awards and is in the karate hall of fame. He is 60-something and still wins tournaments. I think he has trained something like 29 black belts.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:22 am
by feedback
lol I wouldn't fuck with that
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:24 am
by mjrpes
Is that the 'scratching kitty' position?
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:46 am
by bitWISE
Heh...never thought about google searching him...wonder what else comes up. Oh yeah I almost forgot he was on Ripley's
http://www.geocities.com/signemickey/ripleyex3.html
He used to do all that crazy shit at my elementary school-walking on glass, breaking cinder blocks on his chest while laying on a bed of nails, and the cucumber trick. Never saw the nail driving though.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:50 am
by Deji
I don't have a lot of mass really, but I have a couple of years of WingTsun, some Muay Thai, some Judo and some MMA grappling training which more than evens it out generally.
I get into fights pretty often thanks to my friends, which has given me actual experience, and so far I've inflicted more damage than I have received each time. Guess I'm an ok fighter.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:54 am
by tnf
bitWISE wrote:Heh...never thought about google searching him...wonder what else comes up. Oh yeah I almost forgot he was on Ripley's
http://www.geocities.com/signemickey/ripleyex3.html
He used to do all that crazy shit at my elementary school-walking on glass, breaking cinder blocks on his chest while laying on a bed of nails, and the cucumber trick. Never saw the nail driving though.
heh...the cucumber/sword thing is a matter of physics...kind of similar to the reason you can lay a cinder block on someone's chest and smash it with a sledgehammer without hurting them (not the exact same principle though).