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I'm all for owning guns, but there's no reason in hell anyone in a school needs to have one if they're not a cop.

we already got enough fuckjob teachers who smack kids in the head. what would they do if they had access to a weapon?

i mean, every man has his breaking point, and kids tend to push to the limit. sometimes this results in screaming and maybe even some tears. yea a gun at his disposal would be a great idea :icon14:

when are yanks gonna learn?

wtf... how have things changed so much so fast?
i graduated in 1997... and at 25 i don't consider myself that old.
but when i went to highschool we had no metal detectors, no cameras, no cops, or any talk of anything "security" related.
its really sad, how can a kid learn anything in such an evnironment? the more i hear about shools today the more i think they sound like prisions.

MKJ wrote:we already got enough fuckjob teachers who smack kids in the head. what would they do if they had access to a weapon?

i mean, every man has his breaking point, and kids tend to push to the limit. sometimes this results in screaming and maybe even some tears. yea a gun at his disposal would be a great idea :icon14:

Give me a number - a verifiable statistic - about the problematically large number of teachers that smack kids in the head please. I'm honestly curious as a teacher.

I can see any number of reasons for people not wanting armed teachers. But as for the "this guy has a bad temper already, what will he do if you give him a gun?" argument - that is a REAL reach. Could some guy go nutso and cap a bunch of people? Sure - but if he was going to, he'd probably be bringing a gun to school regardless.

There's a big difference between being pushed to what young kids who don't know much better "think" is a breaking point (screaming, tears, etc.) and the breaking point that would involve shooting people is a big leap from there. I can explain what I mean by "think" if you want - it involves the fact that the teenage brain interprets the emotions being conveyed by other people differently than adults.

Dr_Watson wrote:wtf... how have things changed so much so fast?
i graduated in 1997... and at 25 i don't consider myself that old.
but when i went to highschool we had no metal detectors, no cameras, no cops, or any talk of anything "security" related.
its really sad, how can a kid learn anything in such an evnironment? the more i hear about shools today the more i think they sound like prisions.

Hardly any schools are like that now. It just depends on where you go.

Wouldn't solving the cause of crime be more valuable than being able to kill the perpetraters when it happens?

You know.. considering WHY it is that kids go and get hold of guns and shoot up their schools, rather than be there waiting to kill them when they do.

Note: To drag religion (or at least the idea of preordained evil and good) into this for a second, consider this.

You may believe that some people in the world will commit crimes while others will not, and this is a predefined thing. So, for example, Hitler was a bad guy and was going to be one from the moment he was born.

On the other hand, you may beleive that a persons actions are decided by their environment, so a kid brought up in a shit situation will turn out much worse than one brought up in a good situation. This to me seems like the most reasonable beleif of the two.

So on that basis, if you beleive the second situation is true, it must make sense that to prevent situations like this, the solution is to find what in a person's life causes them to go apeshit fucking crazy like this, and remove that problem.. Then, you have no school shooting from that person and you've also improved that persons life immeasurably.

Unless I've gone wrong somewhere with this reasoning, I don't see why the idea of arming schoolteachers and crazy shit like that even comes into the question... it's clearly tacking the outcome and not the cause.

That has to be the single stupidest idea I've ever heard.

arming teachers wtf ?

i know how much we used to wind our teachers up and if my school teachers had guns no one would make it to the 2nd year :L

losCHUNK wrote:i know how much we used to wind our teachers up and if my school teachers had guns no one would make it to the 2nd year :L

Just what I was thinking. I think I've had more nutty teachers than I've had nutty classmates.

tnf wrote:As a teacher, I have mixed emotions about this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7297575/

Before I give my opinions, I'd be interested to hear others.

seems like a typical american mentality; to stop gun violence, give more people guns!

Not to mention that the ideal teacher is meant to represent a certain image which can be looked up to; a "good" person if you will.
Now strap a gun onto said person and see what happens to a child's definition of a responsible and good person.

I honestly believe that I could de-escalate any given situation in a better manner if I didn't have a gun than if I did. If I don't have a gun, I can try to establish trust, etc., with a student that has one, or, in the worst case scenario, maybe work my close enough to maybe try and take the gun from him (although that would be a last case resort). But if the teacher has a gun, they are instantly going to be a target for the kid who has the gun, even if they weren't necessarily going to be a target before.

what a great idea: more guns!

I'm honestly very glad I live in Australia, with virtually no guns -- i've never seen a gun in person, the only people i know that have seen or used a gun have been in the context of a Army or Air Force Cadets course or out on a farm.

I can't even begin to fathom how a teacher with a gun would help anything, at all. Even if a student had a gun, and a teacher 'needed' to pull a gun on the crazy student, all it leads to is more bloodshed, death, violence and immediate tension in the air of every class.

stupid idea.

im curious to why america feels it needs guns when gun crime is up and we can get on without them