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Nightshade wrote: Bullshit. You shoot to kill in combat. In a situation like this you apply deadly force as a last resort, and you shoot to disable if you can. Not that that's very likely to happen.

Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:What else do you suggest they do? They have no power, the have no fuel, they have no water, they have no food, they've been on duty for 3 days, they have no communications, they have no prisons.

I never said they should do something else. I just refuse to act like this is normal and should be considered for other cities.

Dek wrote:

Nightshade wrote: Bullshit. You shoot to kill in combat. In a situation like this you apply deadly force as a last resort, and you shoot to disable if you can. Not that that's very likely to happen.

Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

you shoot to quell the threat, not its life

shoot m in the leg n watch 'm squirm

Dek wrote: Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

I think that's a rumor started by the police to make things easier for them. There's really no reasonable explanation for this 'policy'.

4days wrote:

duffman91 wrote:This is such a retarded thread. If the UK was submerged under water for half a day, I'm sure you wouldn't be joyfully drinking a cup of tea Foo.

was just sort of thinking that, but also trying to think of comparable situations and i'm coming up blank. did they have this level of societal collapse anywhere following that tsunami?

It's only happening in New Orleans, after the tsunami the water receded and things got back to normal with clean up.

Everyone seems to forget, all the other towns devastated by Katrina, Mississippi, Alabama, South Florida.. over 90,000 square miles of devestation and this is just one town that unfortunately, the dominoes fell and the levy broke and the water isn't receeding, and people aren't getting saved..

It doesn't give the average citizen the right to rape/rob/pillage and kill.

Dek wrote:

Nightshade wrote: Bullshit. You shoot to kill in combat. In a situation like this you apply deadly force as a last resort, and you shoot to disable if you can. Not that that's very likely to happen.

Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

Yeah, ok dickweed. You know this because...?

MKJ wrote:

Dek wrote:

Nightshade wrote: Bullshit. You shoot to kill in combat. In a situation like this you apply deadly force as a last resort, and you shoot to disable if you can. Not that that's very likely to happen.

Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

you shoot to quell the threat, not its life

shoot m in the leg n watch 'm squirm

You may be trying to get me to bite.. so I will.. You can't verify the the shooter intentions if fired upon you fire back with the intent to take out the target. Period, so you take their right to fire back again away. If they can squirm they can shoot, and more likely or not will shoot again, now that you pissed em off by shooting their leg.

SplishSplash wrote:

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:What else do you suggest they do? They have no power, the have no fuel, they have no water, they have no food, they've been on duty for 3 days, they have no communications, they have no prisons.

I never said they should do something else. I just refuse to act like this is normal and should be considered for other cities.

That's not the issue at hand.

Nightshade wrote:

Dek wrote:

Nightshade wrote: Bullshit. You shoot to kill in combat. In a situation like this you apply deadly force as a last resort, and you shoot to disable if you can. Not that that's very likely to happen.

Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

Yeah, ok dickweed. You know this because...?

Have cops/police/guards in family and also was in the military. And you? You always aim center mass. If you pull the trigger you pull the trigger with the intent to kill.

Mr.Magnetichead wrote: That's not the issue at hand.

It would lead to that eventually.

"Hey, this worked in New Orleans! And you know how bad that place was."

And splish, this isn't a normal situation in New Orleans, since the other 85000 sqaure miles of land devasted by katrina doesn't have the same issues.

SplishSplash wrote:

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:What else do you suggest they do? They have no power, the have no fuel, they have no water, they have no food, they've been on duty for 3 days, they have no communications, they have no prisons.

I never said they should do something else. I just refuse to act like this is normal and should be considered for other cities.

That's the whole point, this is NOT a normal situation. It's fucking chaos.
Now, Dekard may be a complete idiot, but he's right that if people are shooting at you, you shoot back.

Dek wrote: If you pull the trigger you pull the trigger with the intent to kill.

You just keep saying that over and over. That doesn't make it right.

Dek wrote:

MKJ wrote:

Dek wrote:
Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

you shoot to quell the threat, not its life

shoot m in the leg n watch 'm squirm

You may be trying to get me to bite.. so I will.. You can't verify the the shooter intentions if fired upon you fire back with the intent to take out the target. Period, so you take their right to fire back again away. If they can squirm they can shoot, and more likely or not will shoot again, now that you pissed em off by shooting their leg.

too bad life's not a game and criminals dont have "end-bosses", eh?

Nightshade wrote: That's the whole point, this is NOT a normal situation. It's fucking chaos.
Now, Dekard may be a complete idiot, but he's right that if people are shooting at you, you shoot back.

Please point out where I disagreed with that.

SplishSplash wrote:

Dek wrote: If you pull the trigger you pull the trigger with the intent to kill.

You just keep saying that over and over. That doesn't make it right.

Well, then I'll be the one with the shot leg, and you'll be the one with the bullet center mass.

Fine with me.

SplishSplash wrote:

Mr.Magnetichead wrote: That's not the issue at hand.

It would lead to that eventually.

"Hey, this worked in New Orleans! And you know how bad that place was."

Millitary != Police

And for the record I'm pretty sure the Police ALREADY fire back on people who start firing on them.

Dek wrote:

Nightshade wrote:

Dek wrote:
Bullshit. If you are shot upon, you shoot to kill. If someone is shooting at you it is combat moron.

Yeah, ok dickweed. You know this because...?

Have cops/police/guards in family and also was in the military. And you? You always aim center mass. If you pull the trigger you pull the trigger with the intent to kill.

Gee, I was only a sergeant in the Marines, where I was an Expert marksman. Let me clarify: If someone is shooting at you, your intent must be to disable IF YOU CAN. Quelling civil disturbances IS NOT combat, I don't care how you try to argue it. Even in war, the goal is not to destroy your enemy, it's to destroy his ability to fight.
Now, that usually means killing them, but ideally it's to destroy his equipment.
If someone is shooting at me, I'm going to be more concerned with hitting him than making sure I hit him in the shoulder. But you need to understand that your INTENT is not supposed to be to kill. Using deadly force and intending to kill someone are not the same thing.

SplishSplash wrote:

Nightshade wrote: That's the whole point, this is NOT a normal situation. It's fucking chaos.
Now, Dekard may be a complete idiot, but he's right that if people are shooting at you, you shoot back.

Please point out where I disagreed with that.

Uhh, right here?

SplishSplash wrote:I just refuse to act like this is normal and should be considered for other cities.

agreed... you aim center mass to make sure you hit the target. You don't however aim at his leg, since you most likely may miss. You aim center mass to inflict maximum advantage of hitting the target.

Just like shooting a bottle. You don't aim at the top of the bottle where it's skinny you aim at the center so you'll have a better chance at hitting it. That's all I was suggesting.

And regards to intent to kill; you only pull the trigger if you are ok with taking that persons life. That's the point, you don't pull the trigger thinking, I'm only going to give him a flesh wound. You pull the trigger hoping for the best but fully accepting that you may take this persons life.

Nightshade wrote:
Uhh, right here?

SplishSplash wrote:I just refuse to act like this is normal and should be considered for other cities.

other cities =|= New Orleans right?

SplishSplash wrote:

Nightshade wrote:
Uhh, right here?

SplishSplash wrote:I just refuse to act like this is normal and should be considered for other cities.

other cities =|= New Orleans right?

umm, it's only happening in New Orleans and no other cities affected by the storm.

Hah! Well done America, Your cops in NO have started handing in their badges.

don't let that confuse you. they found a way to weld those badges into an effective rescue dinghy

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Hah! Well done America, Your cops in NO have started handing in their badges.

Link? I haven't seen that yet..