And another one

[Nightshade]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... s-nbc?lite

Shooter is supposed to be dead, no info on him/her/it.

"It's obviously the gun's fault, the shooter bears no responsibility here. This was plainly caused by an inanimate object, we should really get rid of them instead of dealing with the actual problem, which is fucked up people."

Yep, better ban the guns, then all the violence will stop. Banning drugs worked so well, shit no one can ever get drugs now.

I just wish these useless assholes would just shoot themselves at home and save everyone a lot of hassle and heartache.

[EtUL]

maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle

[Nightshade]

I think that's a fairly reasonable statement. Just read that one kid's dead. Sucks.

[MKJ]

preemptive upsetness, I love it

[Κracus]

That's really sad.

I do believe handguns shouldn't be sold to civilians. It's that simple. Rifles, sure with licenses.

All the "but I want one for self defense" is bullshit. Unless you have someone threatening to go to your home and kill you, you simply don't need a handgun and they should be difficult or expensive to get.

I live in a country where handguns are banned. The one that was confiscated in my car was 1000$ so if you're going to buy something like that, and I'm not saying I did, you do it because you need to have it. IF you're poor and want to rob a place, guess what? You can't afford a damn gun.

[xer0s]

That's really sad.

I do believe handguns shouldn't be sold to civilians. It's that simple. Rifles, sure with licenses.

All the "but I want one for self defense" is bullshit. Unless you have someone threatening to go to your home and kill you, you simply don't need a handgun and they should be difficult or expensive to get.

I live in a country where handguns are banned. The one that was confiscated in my car was 1000$ so if you're going to buy something like that, and I'm not saying I did, you do it because you need to have it. IF you're poor and want to rob a place, guess what? You can't afford a damn gun.

lol, I love your posts...

I'd like to know what pistol it was they found in your car...

[Nightshade]

That's really sad.

I do believe handguns shouldn't be sold to civilians. It's that simple. Rifles, sure with licenses.

All the "but I want one for self defense" is bullshit. Unless you have someone threatening to go to your home and kill you, you simply don't need a handgun and they should be difficult or expensive to get.

I live in a country where handguns are banned. The one that was confiscated in my car was 1000$ so if you're going to buy something like that, and I'm not saying I did, you do it because you need to have it. IF you're poor and want to rob a place, guess what? You can't afford a damn gun.

Difficult to get I can agree with, but there are a few flaws in your logic I could point out. Banning anything doesn't magically make it disappear from the face of the earth. You can't predict when someone will threaten your life or the life of your loved ones, so you really can't plan on when you might need a gun with which to defend yourself. The biggest issue with your statements and the one that makes additional gun laws unnecessary and ineffective is that most criminals steal the guns they use. So, cost isn't really a prohibiting factor, now is it?

The other problem I have with this type of argument is the fact that there's no reason why people (read: the VAST majority of legal gun owners) should have to give up a right that they don't abuse because of a few people that do. Where do you draw the line? How much of a nanny state do we want? How far will be go to avoid placing responsibility where it belongs, i.e. with the criminal?

[4days]

I'd like to know what pistol it was they found in your car...

the second or third google result for handguns costing around $1000 CA probably - don't forget to pick one that was actually being manufactured at the time kracus.

[seremtan]

oh look, it's this debate again

Difficult to get I can agree with, but there are a few flaws in your logic I could point out. Banning anything doesn't magically make it disappear from the face of the earth. You can't predict when someone will threaten your life or the life of your loved ones, so you really can't plan on when you might need a gun with which to defend yourself. The biggest issue with your statements and the one that makes additional gun laws unnecessary and ineffective is that most criminals steal the guns they use. So, cost isn't really a prohibiting factor, now is it?

not sure that basing a case for allowing gun ownership on the issue of 'need' is the best tactic, tbh. it's a rather porous defence that allows people who think oppositely to argue that you 'don't need', and it ends up being all about who can marshal the most impressive pie charts and percentages

i think you'd be better off with the approach in the other half of your post, which is all about the balance of power in society, and why should we hand yet more power to an institution (the state) that already has quite enough thanks. (and if anyone says "yeah, but at least the state is responsive to democratic pressure" i will personally reach through the internet and punch you in the cunt)

The other problem I have with this type of argument is the fact that there's no reason why people (read: the VAST majority of legal gun owners) should have to give up a right that they don't abuse because of a few people that do. Where do you draw the line? How much of a nanny state do we want? How far will be go to avoid placing responsibility where it belongs, i.e. with the criminal?

ok, that's my contribution to this thread done and dusted. thanks for reading

we now return you to your scheduled diet of butthurt, ad hominems and link spamming

[xer0s]

Holy fuck. They're saying now 27+ dead and possibly an entire kindergarten class gunned down...

[EtUL]

In China they have stricter gun laws so nutters just attack kids with knives.

Except a lot more live.

[EtUL]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asi ... index.html

[scared?]

Who the fuck kills elementary school kids like that? Bill oreilly?...

[Κracus]

That's really sad.

I do believe handguns shouldn't be sold to civilians. It's that simple. Rifles, sure with licenses.

All the "but I want one for self defense" is bullshit. Unless you have someone threatening to go to your home and kill you, you simply don't need a handgun and they should be difficult or expensive to get.

I live in a country where handguns are banned. The one that was confiscated in my car was 1000$ so if you're going to buy something like that, and I'm not saying I did, you do it because you need to have it. IF you're poor and want to rob a place, guess what? You can't afford a damn gun.

lol, I love your posts...

I'd like to know what pistol it was they found in your car...

It was a 9mm Ruger.

[Deathshroud]

What a world class human piece of shit.

[Κracus]

Difficult to get I can agree with, but there are a few flaws in your logic I could point out. Banning anything doesn't magically make it disappear from the face of the earth. You can't predict when someone will threaten your life or the life of your loved ones, so you really can't plan on when you might need a gun with which to defend yourself. The biggest issue with your statements and the one that makes additional gun laws unnecessary and ineffective is that most criminals steal the guns they use. So, cost isn't really a prohibiting factor, now is it?

The other problem I have with this type of argument is the fact that there's no reason why people (read: the VAST majority of legal gun owners) should have to give up a right that they don't abuse because of a few people that do. Where do you draw the line? How much of a nanny state do we want? How far will be go to avoid placing responsibility where it belongs, i.e. with the criminal?

For starters, reducing the number of guns available to civilians is going to reduce the number of guns available for thieves to steal. Putting aside that you don't believe me, I've hung around with the type of people you're talking about from an area with tight gun control laws. I can definitely confirm that there aren't many guns in those circles and those that have them are usually people that aren't street level.

That doesn't mean however that I'm against gun ownership. If you like hunting sport by all means own a rifle. you can't sneak a rifle around so it's a good compromise. Handguns on the other hand serve only 1 purpose and that's to kill other humans. This might just be my opinion but I think if the only purpose your machine serves is to kill people then it shouldn't be allowed in just anyone's hands.

[scared?]

this is the worst one yet...wtf? who shoots fucking kids like that?...

[Κracus]

morons?

[xer0s]

It was a 9mm Ruger.

Can you be more specific? There are many 9mm Rugers...

[Captain]

Gun-lovers are all one Gramps meltdown away from shit like this.

[Κracus]

It really wasn't mine so I don't know. Looking at the pics however I'd say it was probably this one.



which is an SR9c

[Plan B]

Such an inefficient way of lowering carbon footprint

[Dark Metal]

If only someone in the school had a gun. Perhaps even a few teachers. Yes, I think arming more people is the best way to stop this kind of thing from happening.

[Plan B]

Oh you, and your zany sarcasm.

[Transient]

What a world class human piece of shit.