dope growers give away £400,000 profits to poor, get 3 years

[scared?]

Lol wut?... Smoking weed doesn't effect driving skills...unless ur a moron...

[GONNAFISTYA]

it aint gonna fuck too much with your driving ability

Yeah right. I don't believe that for a second.
Even here in the Netherlands you're gonna be fined if you drive while smoking weed.

Believe what you want. Driving while high has the same danger-to-public level as driving while needing sleep.

[MKJ]

which is also illegal actually.
or at least a misdemeanor i think.

[Ryoki]

Believe what you want. Driving while high has the same danger-to-public level as driving while needing sleep.

As someone who used to smoke a lot i think i'm entitled to say that's a bit nonsense mate - yes, i'd much rather sit in the car of a stoned out of his mind driver than in the car of a very drunk driver, there's no comparison. But driving stoned still definitely fucks with your ability to function properly in traffic. It's more dangerous than driving sober and i fully agree with the existing laws against doing so.

People who need sleep shouldn't be driving either by the way, a silly comparison if you wanted to make it sound like it's an ok thing to do. They actually enforce that for professional drivers like taxi dudes and truck drivers pretty damn strict here.

[Eraser]

Yeah right. I don't believe that for a second.
Even here in the Netherlands you're gonna be fined if you drive while smoking weed.

Believe what you want. Driving while high has the same danger-to-public level as driving while needing sleep.

Considering driving while needing sleep is pretty dangerous in itself, I wouldn't want to trust my chauffeur if he had smoked Mary Jane recently. Also, the article PuFF posted even states that Marijuana smokers are "requiring greater time to respond to emergency situations", which to me sounds like they fail in the #1 requirement in traffic. Anyway, the main argument in favor of marijuana seems to be that it's less dangerous than alcohol, which sounds like a red herring to me.

[GONNAFISTYA]

It's no surprise that driving while not completely sober or awake in every way is frowned upon....I actually tend to agree when you're responsible for 2 tons of moving object.

They should fine those who drive while stoned. They should also fine people who drive while on Nyquil or muscle relaxants.

[GONNAFISTYA]

People who need sleep shouldn't be driving either by the way, a silly comparison if you wanted to make it sound like it's an ok thing to do.

I'm not saying it's an ok thing to do. I'm simply making the "silly comparison" to indicate what pot does to you compared to alcohol. Truth be told anyone who compares the affects of alcohol to pot and somehow equates them within the law hasn't a clue wtf they're talking about...hence my comment about needing sleep or on other depressant drugs. Every day people take drowse-inducing decongestants for head colds and then drive off to work. Same difference.

Lemme guess....someone's gonna argue that decongestants "aren't the same as pot".

[MKJ]

nope, the only thing being argued here is "no, alcohol isn't the same as weed, but weed isn;t the same as sober either".

also, insert easy joke about you being responsible for 2 tons of moving weight here.

[GONNAFISTYA]

lol fuck u...

[scared?]

i know from experience that weed has no affect on driving skills...only pussies who are weed morons think otherwise...

[Eraser]

Geoff, does weed have any effect on your dish washing skills?

[scared?]

Dunno, I haven't washed a dish since 2004...

[Don Carlos]

Too busy mopping up his children ass gravy to be able to wash the dishes.

It is a vicious cycle of illness because of an unclean habitat and an unclean habitat because of illness. AIDS and heart disease taking Geoff and his family down. Euthanasia could be the answer, Geoff. Stop burdening your family with your very existence; end yourself and let them fly. You are a lead weight to their potential balloon of a life. Admittedly they have a less than stellar start given their genes, but I am sure they will be all they can be. Stop holding them back and let them go, Geoff. Let them go.

[scared?]

Lol ur a sad lonely insignificant little man...I feel sorry for u really...

[Don Carlos]

Says the man stuck in doors clearing up ass gravy every day whilst living in fear of his heart just giving up...

Chin up bro; we will be here for you

[scared?]

Says the man stuck in doors clearing up ass gravy every day whilst living in fear of his heart just giving up...

Chin up bro; we will be here for you

lol poor ppl are stuupid^^^...

[seremtan]

whatever happened to the geoff who entertained us with nanothermite conspiracy theories and copypasta from Alex Jones?

this new perma-butthurt geoff isn't up to scratch, frankly

[Don Carlos]

It's the AIDS

[GONNAFISTYA]

ass gravy

[mrd]

copypasta

[U4EA]

I'm with Eraser on this one, I wouldn't trust my life to a smoker's bravado. Note that alcohol drinkers also make the same claim.

It's an interesting issue for sure.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 290882b908

http://healthland.time.com/2012/11/20/7 ... -impaired/

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/02 ... s-20110703

[Mat Linnett]

Smoking weed doesn't impair your ability to drive?
That would explain why my mate drove straight across a T-junction and through the hedge on the other side because he forgot how to turn.
I was in the car with him and we were all as stoned as Islamic adulterers.

[EtUL]

There is actually one legitimate reason for not decriminalizing marijuana. I read this a few months ago in a discussion on Reddit.

Some of the short term effects of smoking marijuana include impairment of short-term and working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration. Impairments of this nature will have a negative effect on somebody if they were to then attempt driving a vehicle. Similar to alcohol by this point, sure.

The key difference here is that for alcohol, there exists a scientific metric [blood alcohol content] that corelates with the level of intoxication of the driver. Therefore, in the interest of general safety, you can set limits on acceptable BAC levels for drivers. You can accurately test BAC level while the person is intoxicated, and when sober again [BAC drops with sobriety]. Not only can you run blood tests, but police officers can also quickly and semi-accurately get an idea of whether the person needs to be brought in for blood tests by using a breathalyzer.

Contrastingly, for marijuana, there are no such tests. The presence of THC can be detectable from 3 up to 10 days after usage. There is no way to accurately and scientifically determine whether the driver was intoxicated at the time of the test. So you might have lots of intoxicated drivers later claiming that they weren't and the tests won't be able to refute that.

Like most things on reddit, this is shit. The bill in Colorado doesn't have anything in it but that will change soon, the Washington law covers blood tests for weed that are sensitive down to hours, not 3 to 10 days.

[U4EA]

As far as I can tell, the scientific accuracy and merit of those tests is still under question.

Although the marijuana "high" only lasts three to five hours, studies of heavy users in a locked hospital ward showed THC can be detected in the blood up to a week after they are abstinent, and the outer limit of detection time in saliva tests is not known.

[...]

Washington, however, is an exception. Because of the scientific controversy over the link between marijuana fluid levels and impairing effects, few states have set standards for stoned driving detection.

The 5 nanogram limit in Washington requires a blood sample to be tested. This would be a waste of time and money for police officers compared to testing drunk drivers, where you can discard drivers who pass a breathalyser and only do blood tests to convict drivers who fail the breathalyser.

[losCHUNK]

As far as I can tell, the scientific accuracy and merit of those tests is still under question.

Although the marijuana "high" only lasts three to five hours, studies of heavy users in a locked hospital ward showed THC can be detected in the blood up to a week after they are abstinent, and the outer limit of detection time in saliva tests is not known.

[...]

Washington, however, is an exception. Because of the scientific controversy over the link between marijuana fluid levels and impairing effects, few states have set standards for stoned driving detection.

The 5 nanogram limit in Washington requires a blood sample to be tested. This would be a waste of time and money for police officers compared to testing drunk drivers, where you can discard drivers who pass a breathalyser and only do blood tests to convict drivers who fail the breathalyser.

I know I've read more than a few articles saying that the length of time weed can be present in a blood sample can go upto months after someone has flat out quit, swabbing doesn't seem to pick up shit even if you just outted a J outside the test centre and it can stay in your piss for weeks wether you like it or not, which kind of makes driving under the influence a bullshit claim as you can't tell if they was under any influence. The only thing they can determine is that the sample comes from someone that either smokes or socialises with smokers which unfortunately is good enough for some employers :/

Don't really think you should drive when stoned, you can't even use your phone anymore ffs, but I'll say their is a difference between being flat out stoned and just half baked, with the tests they use to determine wether someone is under the influence being better off replaced by the opinion of a voodoo priest.

Edit: I also think you should be given the option of doing your driving test completely shitfaced, on the phone whilst doing your make up and curling your eyelashes, whilst a baked potato is on the cook without glasses if you need them