No comments on Yemen, Libya, etc.?

[Ryoki]

Yes yes but did anyone read the link i posted? Six fucking jets blown to smithereens and two severely damaged, that's basically the most significant loss of aircraft NATO has experienced on a single day since i don't know, the Korean war?

Shit is really real yo

[Plan B]

I kill to defend the honour of the tooth fairy

Seriously, it's scary how so many people can get whipped into a murderous frenzy over trivial imaginary shit.
If you base your existence on some retarded, thousands years old crap fairy tale, you don't belong on this planet in 2012.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

So there is no other context for this anger right? They're just pissed about the movie?

[GONNAFISTYA]

This book explains quite a bit of it.

We are witnessing the inherent mindlessness of authoritarian followers. Religion is just a pretext.

[losCHUNK]

This book explains quite a bit of it.

We are witnessing the inherent mindlessness of authoritarian followers. Religion is just a pretext.

In the same way the Catholic religion was just incorporated as a form of control for the Roman empire ?, like ideologies, any leader can twist a belief to suite an alternate motive, nothing new, but the base is still Religion ?

[GONNAFISTYA]

...but the base is still Religion ?

Yeah. Religious people by their very nature tend to...uhm...not be thinkers but actually prefer being followers. They literally NEED a leader. This is why psychologists have studied the Authoritarian Follower: because it's easy to figure out what motivates someone to be an authoritarian leader or Social Dominator, but it's confusing why someone would willingly submit to authority and do whatever authority tells them to do.

It was pretty much the basis of the Religious Revolution in American politics in the early 1980s and is the driving force of religious morons who graduate from Liberty University getting into politics as a TeaParty candidate. It explains the almost inhuman thrust of effort you see from these organizations and their followers to specific goals...such as covering up child abuse by priests or any other horrible act in the name of God you can think of.

"There is no horror, no amount of evil in the world, that a true believer can't rationalize as consistent with a loving God." - Jerry Coyne

[losCHUNK]

I think that's the whole untold basis of Religion and the indoctrination that follows ?, submitting yourself and your belongings to someone else is the cornerstone of most Religions ?, hence needing a leader for control. if Religion were removed and decisions were made solely on attributes of a character the middle East would be a better place ? (assumptions on my behalf - I liked your analogy though)

[GONNAFISTYA]

I doubt much would change, really. Stupid people are stupid, etc. If religion doesn't work on the stupid you can always count on exploiting their tribal nature to create divisions and give motivations to morons. Either way you have mindless followers who act before thinking.

It's a personality trait.

[Plan B]

So there is no other context for this anger right? They're just pissed about the movie?

Yes, because fundamentalist muslims need legitimate reasons to fuck shit up.
Ooh, those drones fucked up some potential suicide bombers. How politically incorrect.

Welcome to the 21st century.
Your upsetness is fucking laughable.

[losCHUNK]

I doubt much would change, really. Stupid people are stupid, etc. If religion doesn't work on the stupid you can always count on exploiting their tribal nature to create divisions and give motivations to morons. Either way you have mindless followers who act before thinking.

It's a personality trait.

Which is kinda my point about 'them' being 100s of years behind ?, if religion were removed then I wouldn't be comparing Islam VS Christianity obviously, but some other form of control and they'd still be 100s of years behind our development in morals ?.

I know i've kind of flip flopped but were talking about assumptions on situations that may not or never will happen (and to be fair - I did say that *if they started selecting their leaders on attributes instead* )

[seremtan]

i see tony blair has waded in with the standard wanky western liberal line about how some people have "perverted religion" for their own ends

have they? or are crusades, burning heretics, chopping off heads and suicide bombings simply what you get when religion gets the upper hand? (and this is why they no longer do this shit in the west - because it's been cut down to size - ?)

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

So there is no other context for this anger right? They're just pissed about the movie?

Yes, because fundamentalist muslims need legitimate reasons to fuck shit up.
Ooh, those drones fucked up some potential suicide bombers. How politically incorrect.

Welcome to the 21st century.
Your upsetness is fucking laughable.

My upsetness?

[xer0s]

Why don't extra terrestrials just come spill the beans on this whole religion thing?

[Eraser]

Yes, because fundamentalist muslims need legitimate reasons to fuck shit up.
Ooh, those drones fucked up some potential suicide bombers. How politically incorrect.

Welcome to the 21st century.
Your upsetness is fucking laughable.

My upsetness?

I think he was referring to extremist Muslims

[losCHUNK]

There was a bunch of bearded idiots protesting in front of the American consulate in Amsterdam too...
I wonder if any of these angreh people have actually seen the movie, i think not.

Semi related: Taliban suicide squad dressed in US uniforms attacks camp Bastion and destroys 6 jets, damages 2 others. Whoa.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09 ... -s-troops/

I did catch this on the news mang , sounded pretty hardcore especially as I was watching Prince 'naked' Harry playing with an apache like a schoolboy the week before, in the same place. Coincidence ?, nah

No one seems to be doing anything different about it though, why I can't see no end.

i see tony blair has waded in with the standard wanky western liberal line about how some people have "perverted religion" for their own ends

have they? or are crusades, burning heretics, chopping off heads and suicide bombings simply what you get when religion gets the upper hand? (and this is why they no longer do this shit in the west - because it's been cut down to size - ?)

Thought this was a pretty cute point, for a start Blair can jump off a fucking cliff the shit talking - glory seeking uber cunt, but imagine Mr Pope ex communing the Queen, he'd get a 'fuck you' and a ton less respect. I've been meaning to look up the turning point with Christianity in our society, the point in where we accepted the earth isn't the centre of the solar system n all that other shite.

How would you stop someone from following a simple authoritarian figure though ?, I think Islam has such a big grip on Muslims because they don't have a 'Pope' creating a level playing field, which leaves the door open for any muppet with a mouth to bark orders in the name of Allah, and getting treated with the same respect our Pope had a few generations ago.

[Eraser]

lol, you got it all wrong. In Christianity, the pope IS the Muppet that barks orders. So basically Christians have organized the order barking under one dictatorial power, which possibly is even more dangerous. We're just lucky the pope worries more about protected sex than about beheading people these days.

[losCHUNK]

well, back in the day, yea. Now ?, I think not, look at the trouble he's having when talking about protected sex, you think he's going to be able to do anything at least half serious ?

What I mean is, the Pope back in the day had to give the 'ok' for shit, he might be a dangerous ruler but it's easier to target one guy to influence the masses rather than multiple that can give themselves the same self proclaimed power ?. IE Pope accepts Earth isn't the centre of the universe, this becomes common knowledge and the world moves on. Where as In the world of Islam, the possibility arises where they can simply start following a new Imam with the same interpretations they've been taught for generations ?, or disposing / discrediting the Imam by his equals that hold a different but shared view ?

[fKd]

wanna talk morals?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_c ... present%29

[Ryoki]

I did catch this on the news mang , sounded pretty hardcore especially as I was watching Prince 'naked' Harry playing with an apache like a schoolboy the week before, in the same place. Coincidence ?, nah

Oh pff it had nothing to do with your rebellious royal playboy, he's just there because it's the biggest base in the entire country, ie supposedly very safe.

No, they saw an opportunity to strike the most costly blow of the entire war and they took it. It's damn impressive they pulled it off to be honest, my hat is off to the bearded genius who conceived this little operation. Wonder if it's a one off kind of thing or if we'll see more of these well planned and executed attacks.

[4days]

Nato says it is restricting operations with Afghan troops following a string of deadly attacks on its personnel by rogue Afghan security forces.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19632779

they killed six men, but they also took out six harriers and damaged two others, then fucked up the refueling stations and some of the hangers. it's hard not to be cynical about what the genuine reason for the change in policy might be, hopefully it's at least a logistics thing (loss of air support or something).

[seremtan]

imagine Mr Pope ex communing the Queen, he'd get a 'fuck you' and a ton less respect.

no, he'd get a "wtf" and "are you feeling ok benny?"

the monarch isn't a catholic and hasn't been for centuries, dude

[Ryoki]

Nato says it is restricting operations with Afghan troops following a string of deadly attacks on its personnel by rogue Afghan security forces.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19632779

they killed six men, but they also took out six harriers and damaged two others, then fucked up the refueling stations and some of the hangers. it's hard not to be cynical about what the genuine reason for the change in policy might be, hopefully it's at least a logistics thing (loss of air support or something).

Aye. Though it's comforting to hear that apparently there was a policy in place, didn't know that.

[4days]

had to say policy because i don't know what the proper word is for flipping coins over a stack of balance sheets (or however it is that they work these things out).

[Plan B]

I think he was referring to extremist Muslims

I was.

[losCHUNK]

wanna talk morals?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_c ... present%29

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

I did catch this on the news mang , sounded pretty hardcore especially as I was watching Prince 'naked' Harry playing with an apache like a schoolboy the week before, in the same place. Coincidence ?, nah

Oh pff it had nothing to do with your rebellious royal playboy, he's just there because it's the biggest base in the entire country, ie supposedly very safe.

No, they saw an opportunity to strike the most costly blow of the entire war and they took it. It's damn impressive they pulled it off to be honest, my hat is off to the bearded genius who conceived this little operation. Wonder if it's a one off kind of thing or if we'll see more of these well planned and executed attacks.

Fairy muff , I just figured that if he does ever get sent on front line duty he'd have a massive target painted to his head, along with whoever he's with. Are attacks by 20 'terrorists' pretty common ?, I would've thought so, the only difference in this scenario is that they achieved some success ?, not sure wether to treat it as a renewed faith in the fight against the west or, lucky bastards ?

edit: just seen 4days link, it's good they're making changes but yea, for what reasons ? :/

imagine Mr Pope ex communing the Queen, he'd get a 'fuck you' and a ton less respect.

no, he'd get a "wtf" and "are you feeling ok benny?"

the monarch isn't a catholic and hasn't been for centuries, dude

All the more reason to call her a heretic of the faith and make it any Catholics duty to provide the Pope with her head on a pike.