No comments on Yemen, Libya, etc.?

[Nightshade]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/world ... wanted=all

I've not read all the details on this situation as of yet, unfortunately there seems to be a lot more "Romney fucked up" or "Barack did this" stories than anything of substance. I did hear that this started over a video denigrating muslims and that the US ambassador in Libya was killed.

So, how many incidents do there need to be before people realize that a LARGE part of the muslim world really does consist of fundamentalist crazies? I can't wait until the oil's all gone. Fuck Saudi Arabia, fuck the Middle East, fuck Israel, fuck all of them. Oh, and fuck all the christian fundy kooks that make using Israel as an excuse to defend oil fields possible.

[scared?]

Please negroe...Muslims got trolled by religious racists at the least...

Fundies on both sides are just as bad... We just Control ours better with our supremely more organized police state...

[Tsakali]

this is terrible timing for the elections. FFS what's a nigga gotta do to get a second term?

[scared?]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... ks.php?m=1


Pretty obvious psychops...

[obsidian]

Please negroe...Muslims got trolled by religious racists at the least...

Fundies on both sides are just as bad... We just Control ours better with our supremely more organized police state...

There's some truth to this. There are probably as many religious fundamentalists in the Middle East as there are in the U.S., neither are any less crazy or dangerous as the other. The difference is that the Middle East has had a very long history of having been fucked by Western foreign policy, having had a hand in placing many a dictator and tyrant into power.

[Psyche911]

Please negroe...Muslims got trolled by religious racists at the least...

Fundies on both sides are just as bad... We just Control ours better with our supremely more organized police state...

What the shit? I'm agreeing with Geoff? What is this?

[4days]

it's a fair point bordering on well-made, maybe a grown-up helped him.

[xer0s]

Religious nutbags. Nothing else...

[xer0s]

The Arab cultures in the middle east are a complete failure. They need a do-over...

[Nightshade]

There's some truth to this. There are probably as many religious fundamentalists in the Middle East as there are in the U.S., neither are any less crazy or dangerous as the other. The difference is that the Middle East has had a very long history of having been fucked by Western foreign policy, having had a hand in placing many a dictator and tyrant into power.

Errm, I'll agree with you about the number, but I have to throw up the bullshit flag when it comes to degree of danger. Yes, there are many batshit crazy religious nuts in the US, but how many of them riot and burn shit over cartoons in a newspaper? Sure, once in a blue moon you'll get a kook that will shoot an abortion doctor, but that's the exception. When was the last time the Westboro Baptist shitbags blew up a building?

[scared?]

Errm, I'll agree with you abou...

fuck u...i win...

[scared?]

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnext!...

[Tsakali]

it's a fair point bordering on well-made, maybe a grown-up helped him.

lul

[obsidian]

Timothy McVeigh was a religious nutbag who blew up a pretty big building. It certainly doesn't take much to start a violent riot, all you need is a sporting event and some beer, or some pigs beating down a black man. Seems like a bit of selective memory here, the U.S. can be a pretty violent place with religious and ethnic causes. The reason why the Middle East is laced with violence has more to do with the fragile political landscape that they have as a result of the fallout that has been handed to them though decades of meddling from Western societies. Constant war has left large caches of weapons scattered about. The result of which is also a lot of resentment for the U.S. from which can spark a whole lot of hatred and violence, and they have ample amounts of Western manufactured weapons to demonstrate it.

[Psyche911]

When was the last time the Westboro Baptist shitbags blew up a building?

Interesting you bring that up. Both WBC and the guys who made the video that instigated these attacks use the same tactics. They don't attack anyone, but provoke attacks to "prove" their own points of view.

Pastor Terry Jones may or may not have had a hand in creating the anti-Islam video on Muhammad that sparked these attacks, but he has been promoting it. He's previously made some seriously hateful videos. Hanging a mock-up Muhammad, burning the Quran, etc.

On September 10th, he posted this video, declaring September 11th (the day of these attacks) as "International Judge Muhammad Day." He claims that Muhammad and Islam are the direct work of the devil.

Exactly what is he promoting for action on this day? Hard to say, but it sounds like the same shit that went down in Libya and Egypt, just on the "other side." I would put as much of the blame on people like him as the people who take action.

[GONNAFISTYA]

The Abrahamic religions have held this planet hostage with their violent insanity for the last 2000 years and US Embassies have been attacked half-a-dozen times. How is this incident special in any way, besides the fact that it'll be used as - yet another - political football during the US election circus?

Christians and Jews troll Muslims Muslims play the victim card and attack something or blow something up that is important to Christians and Jews Christians and Jews then take their turn playing the victim card and attack something or blow something up that is important to Muslims Rinse repeat for-fucking-ever.

Then...after the Christians and Jews have rid the Earth of Muslims, they'll turn on each other and find new reasons to kill in the name of God. Then eventually, the remaining religion's various sects will tear each other apart...until you're left with the craziest of the crazy.

This shit will never cease until all religions are banned. And good luck with that. So this shit will never cease.

[Tsakali]

By the time humanity rids itself of any religious influence on an absolute scale, the change in mentality may require drastic changes that can have catastrophic consequences in aspects of our humanity that are otherwise fascinating.

I really think that religious belief is an inescapable side effect of all lifeforms that form intelligence at this level. Even those who claim immunity from the "affliction", contain a natural level of wonder and an urge of rationalizing the unknown, which is only subdued by very conscious efforts, and is mostly fueled by their strong dislike of the most unbecoming displays of such ludicrous notions.

[Psyche911]

I really think that religious belief is an inescapable side effect of all lifeforms that form intelligence at this level.

Or we could just be rational....

[obsidian]

I have no idea what Tsakali is talking about but it sounds stupid.

[GONNAFISTYA]

By the time humanity rids itself of any religious influence on an absolute scale, the change in mentality may require drastic changes that can have catastrophic consequences in aspects of our humanity that are otherwise fascinating.

I really think that religious belief is an inescapable side effect of all lifeforms that form intelligence at this level. Even those who claim immunity from the "affliction", contain a natural level of wonder and an urge of rationalizing the unknown, which is only subdued by very conscious efforts, and is mostly fueled by their strong dislike of the most unbecoming displays of such ludicrous notions.

Humanity will probably indeed rid itself of any religious influence on an absolute scale, because the religious nuts will probably kill us all.

And I disagree with the hugely unproven theory that religion is a natural side effect of all lifeforms that are intelligent. There may be cults, small groups of people who believe supernatural forces created the universe, but human greed and lust for power took that and turned it into a form of government and control.

Besides, I refuse to label any intelligent alien species with the same moronic follies of humanity and instead choose to believe we are most likely the retards of the litter..so to speak. To somehow equate alien evolution and interests with human evolution and interests is the height of arrogance and provincialism.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

There's some truth to this. There are probably as many religious fundamentalists in the Middle East as there are in the U.S., neither are any less crazy or dangerous as the other. The difference is that the Middle East has had a very long history of having been fucked by Western foreign policy, having had a hand in placing many a dictator and tyrant into power.

Errm, I'll agree with you about the number, but I have to throw up the bullshit flag when it comes to degree of danger. Yes, there are many batshit crazy religious nuts in the US, but how many of them riot and burn shit over cartoons in a newspaper? Sure, once in a blue moon you'll get a kook that will shoot an abortion doctor, but that's the exception. When was the last time the Westboro Baptist shitbags blew up a building?

Conveniently forgetting about the Pentagon Prayer meetings during Bush's "crusade" or does that level of organization disqualify the Christians?

[Tsakali]

Humanity will probably indeed rid itself of any religious influence on an absolute scale, because the religious nuts will probably kill us all.

And I disagree with the hugely unproven theory that religion is a natural side effect of all lifeforms that are intelligent. There may be cults, small groups of people who believe supernatural forces created the universe, but human greed and lust for power took that and turned it into a form of government and control.

Besides, I refuse to label any intelligent alien species with the same moronic follies of humanity and instead choose to believe we are most likely the retards of the litter..so to speak. To somehow equate alien evolution and interests with human evolution and interests is the height of arrogance and provincialism.

I'm not even considering the current state of religion and it's blatant abuse. Even in tribes that are not effected by the same level of greed and personal interest, there is a strong indication of similar behavior. It's an integral functionality, it seems.


Also, I didn't even know there was a theory on it, I thought I just got it off my bowl a few months ago. But then again I'm pretty awesome and this wouldn't be the first time I recreate the wheel independently.

[Tsakali]

I have no idea what Tsakali is talking about but it sounds stupid.

oh yeah, you mad.

[Big Kahuna Burger]

wait, muslims are violent?

[obsidian]

If mad means confused, then yes I am. Do you even bother to pull your head out far enough to make any sense of what you write or is the pressure from your butt-cheeks compressing your skull?