DTS wrote:You're supposed to get a console to play new games, not old ones. Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss which is covered by the licencing cost of games. Sony know what they're doing.
Microsoft has no reason to put out a new console soon, Pachter said. He estimates that the company makes about $115 of profit on the $300 Xbox 360, a model with a hard drive.
DTS wrote:Hey, Don Carlos, nice to see you're so knowledgeable on the subject (some of which I already stated in the thread, i.e. blue lasers) but I don't see what your point is.
Just making sure that you do know that I am so knowledgable on the subject. I wouldn't want you thinking otherwise.
0psys wrote:Don't people want backward compatibility simply because there's limited space under a TV, and having three consoles under it might make you look like some kind of cunt?
DTS wrote:You're supposed to get a console to play new games, not old ones. Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss which is covered by the licencing cost of games. Sony know what they're doing.
Backwards compatibility can be fun, but when the resolution of the screen is going to be higher, and the games weren't made with that in mind, what you need is updated conversions. If people are getting a new generation console and only playing old games on it, they're being skanks and they kill progress.
You'd be as sensible if you complained that your Blu-ray player doesn't have a VHS cassette drive
You're putting it rather black & white here.
People obviously aren't getting a new console just to play old games on it. They'll buy and play new games, but it is very nice if your new console can also play your old games. Just take a look at the Wii and the success of its Virtual Console platform.
Release a good launch title or two and nobody will care. Not many people still play PS2 games or (original) XBox games with the current generation of consoles. It won't alienate consumers as much as most people make it sound. Is it bullshit? yes (Ab-so-lutely! [I won't be buying it]). But will people still buy it? yes. So in the long run does it matter? No.
As long as the new games take advantage of the new hardware, consumers will want to play the newest and shiniest game.
The internet minority is always 10x louder than the consumer majority....
Wasn't the entire internet savvy population going to boycott ME3 for the day 1 DLC too and teach Bioware and EA a lesson? Yeah...uh...
As much as some people like to complain about new video games and consoles anonymously online, most people would rather just play them instead.
a lack of backwards compatibility isn't a deal breaker, that's been a fairly new development anyway - and i can imagine that for sony (who use a lot of hardware-specific features) it could get very difficult to maintain.
that said, not allowing used games and requiring an internet connection to play anything seems absolutely fucking batshit. offline play and being able to play secondhand games are essential features of a games console. if you can't do those two things then it's worth the extra few quid to just put a PC in your living room and forget about consoles entirely. can't imagine sony being dumb enough to take that route unless microsoft string them along with a similar move.
Rumors only, I'm skeptical they'll do this, PS3 sales originally were slow and caused them problems. I'm skeptical they'd try to continue that trend by implementing stuff like this.
If anything, Sony is probably testing the waters by releasing this rumor to see the effect on the community. It's obviously bad so they'll avoid doing something like this.
I can tell you I'd never buy a Sony product if they did. I'm still on the fence about getting a PS3... Can't say I was impressed with my experience thus far. Tried to play Heavy Rain at my friends house a few days ago, took me 45 minutes to finally be able to play after popping the game in the PS3. 1GB update? For fucking real? And an install AFTER the update? REALLY!?
So I finally get in the game and the fucking thing freezes on me 10 minutes in. Fuck that shit.
So I'm like, ok. Heavy Rain, not so good, maybe it's just a shitty game. Frankly I got see some dudes ass 2 minutes into the game, shower and shave myself. WTF? I do this in real life, I didn't realize this was the sims, gay edition.
So I try Motor Storm. Great fucking game, except it freezes all the fucking time too! And the controller is fucking horrible. It was awesome in it's day but it's time to update. Graphics weren't even that impressive and I was playing on a nice flat screen.
It's a lot more complicated than running MSDOS on a Windows 7 box though. It would be more like expecting an x86 binary of KDE to run on an ARM device. I believe the only way Sony has done it in the past is by literally including the previous generation CPU inside the next-gen hardware. I think they dug themselves a hole a while back with their OS/hardware designs and the only way to get out would be planning their next-gen system around the fact that the next-next-gen system would need backwards compatibility. But then that ties your next console to plans you made years ago.
Backwards is a bonus but I don't think consoles should focus on it.
I do see where you are coming from with that, but they should have long enough to get tidy emulation going when they know the hardware specs. It might not be perfect, but it would be doable given the unlimited access they would have to tools etc etc
It's a well-known fact that the only people in the universe who don't believe in backwards compatibility are programmers. Specifically programmers who are working on the latest iteration and don't want to do the work for backwards compatibility.
In other words: programmers are the laziest cunts this side of plantation owners and alot of the features for software and hardware that consumers get has everything to do with the programmer's willingness to actually work on it.
P.S. Yes...you're correct: I have no respect whatsoever for programmers.
