Do any of you bitcoin mine?

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just heard about this. Seems plausible and essentially there's nothing to lose by trying it, apart from maybe a melted GPU? I don't quite understand the concept of mining though, so apparently you get coin by solving bitcoin blocks to do with hashes and nonces which I don't really understand, but surely it's just like a self perpetuating machine and if it's constantly generating coins then it's just going to inflate into worthlessness.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software designed in order to use this currency.
Bitcoin is one of the first implementations of a concept called crypto-currency, which was first described in 1998 by Wei Dai on the cypherpunks mailing list. Building upon the notion that money is any object, or any sort of record, accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given country or socio-economic context, Bitcoin is designed around the idea of using cryptography to control the creation and transfer of money, rather than relying on central authorities.
there's a video explanation here: http://www.weusecoins.com/
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nonces :olo:
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I know. what's are 4 bits called? a nibble!

fucking nerd injokes.
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Yea I've been doing it for a while. You're a bit late to the party though and it's getting less worth while by the week.

Unless you have a newer ATI video card, don't even bother. You wont be able to run enough hashes.

I do pooled mining on a 5850 (240m hash/sec) and at first I was getting a payout every three days worth $30 each, now I get a payout every 8 days worth $13 each. It will continue to take longer and longer to get a payout and the value seems to be holding in the low teens after peaking around $30.
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Cheers, I might not bother, especially as I have an old 8800GT. I've done a bit more reading and it looks like at the moment to stop inflation they're just hashing out (ho ho) 21mil coins and then everything after that will merely be calculating the transaction hashes and there'll be even less incentive for peoples to mine. It's an interesting idea though and I hope it catches on in the mainstream. Kind of makes sense that miners aren't hollering about it though as more users means less coin. $30 every few days is good money for doing fuck all. I assume once all the hashes have been generated then the bitcoin PR dept. will break open the big guns. How many sites accept it as legitimate currency? interesting I've never even heard of it till now. Shame i missed the mining boat :(.
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There was actually a huge theft of bitcoins recently throwing the currency into question as to it's future. The whole buying drugs with bitcoins doesn't help it's cause either.
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how utterly retarded.

My wallet got stolen so I'm going to stop using the British banking system and what's worse is I heard people used the same type of money that I used to buy milk in the supermarket to buy .... DRUGS!

ffs.
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yeah i was toying around with this a few months back but then dropped it once i realized how low the returns were going to be. i'm still interested in how this whole thing evolves though. i did a local check and there were 5 or 6 businesses near me that accepted bitcoin payments.

honestly though, i wouldnt be surprised if this whole thing flops and a single coin value drops to less than a cent.
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i've heard that there's a 0.0001% chance that the sterling currency in my wallet may at some point have been handled by some smelly goth

i'm not touching that shit
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phantasmagoria wrote:how utterly retarded.

My wallet got stolen so I'm going to stop using the British banking system and what's worse is I heard people used the same type of money that I used to buy milk in the supermarket to buy .... DRUGS!

ffs.
Yeah but that's a different scenario entirely. The issue with stealing or duplicating bitcoins is that it'll devaluate the currency to being worthless. It being traded online for drug trade will also get it attention from authorities who'll no doubt want to shut it down or make it illegal to posess.

You can invest your time and REAL money if you want...

I'm actualy for a new form of digital currency that could be traded online but at the same time I don't want it's value to fluctuate wildly with no real clue as to what it's future holds. Something sanctioned and run by the IMF or perhaps the UN would be interesting but this is just some guys idea and program that others in his clique decided to adobt. It's like Bitwise said it's getting less and less valuable... I also can't see how it'll be worht anything if everyone can just create money out of nothing more than "processing" it with a PC. There's no actual work or product being produced is there? It's just a hey, lets consume electricity and create artificial coins... I can see huge holes just begging to be abused.
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ok i've just done some reading on bitcoins and mining and I'm confused as fuck.

I get the idea of a digital decentralized currency - yay.

What's this mining business? It says that bitcoins are generated by solving tricky computational problems. This is where I don't follow - I can't find a normal clear explanation.

Are the computational problems just created as a means to generate bitcoins at a certain rate? If so, then this seems like money generated from nothing - there is no useful labour that anyone is benefiting from.

Or are the problems actually real problems that certain people are benefiting from and willing to pay REAL money for (and then convert into new bitcoins)?
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I THINK the computational problems are individual hashes and nonces (whatever the fuck they are) that are assigned to each of the 12million coin to make it individual in order to stop forgery and also the hashes and nonces assigned to each transaction.
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Right... so no one is benefiting from it's production. It's just hella difficult to duplicate..
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Ok so I guess this is a way to carefully introduce the currency into the system (essentially from nothing to begin with). Then, once the mining yield tapers off, the currency can grow using normal economic systems of growth.
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yeah too bad the "internet" doesn't really have a GDP...
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this all sounds like a big scam to me tbh. anyone in early is probably pretty rich, and what's stopping someone from having a factory in china doing nothing but mining bitcoins?
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hell what am I thinking, the russian mob probably has tons of malware that runs these things for them already
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I've heard of bitcoin mining in China already actually.
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Should have called them credits.
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As a form of money laundering, I suppose bitcoin mining *might* be a good business idea. But the costs involved for even a small payout are very risky in my opinion. The best rig you could build right now would probably make $13 every four days. That would be roughly 3 months before each machine in your farm starts making a profit. The downside is that the currency value is totally arbitrary and could bottom out again. For the longest time the coins were worth fuckall. Wish I was in the game back then instead of thinking it was dumb.
Κracus wrote:There was actually a huge theft of bitcoins recently throwing the currency into question as to it's future. The whole buying drugs with bitcoins doesn't help it's cause either.
There was no theft really. What happened is a guy manipulated the most popular exchange site to make it look like he had a bunch of real bitcoins to sell when in fact they were fake. He then sold the fake bitcoins on the exchange and used the cash to buy real bitcoins back. He eventually hit the daily ceiling but the site just didn't have proper measures in place to stop the hack.

Unless you're talking about the guy who had like 25,000 coins stolen supposedly. That's not really any different than physical theft of money that occurs every day.
phantasmagoria wrote:How many sites accept it as legitimate currency? interesting I've never even heard of it till now. Shame i missed the mining boat :(.
I'm not sure. I sell them on an exchange, send the USD to a Dwolla account, and then withdraw the cash into my bank account.
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So if the best rig you can build needs a powerful cpu and graphics card and nets you 13 dollars every 4 days, how much in the red are you with electricity and equipment costs?

Honestly it sounds like gambling to me. Gamblers are the group that will tell you they won 50 bucks but somehow not realize they lost 200 dollars in the process of winning 50.
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I don't get this at all. Nothing is produced, yet money can be gained? How? What? No.
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Ryoki wrote:I don't get this at all. Nothing is produced, yet money can be gained? How? What? No.
It's more like converting electricity into money..... Perhaps with a decent setup and a solar panel?
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The price is down to $9 so I did some math to validate whether I want to keep running. My gpu at idle for one month consumes roughly 261 kwh and under load it consumes 549 kwh. Since I don't power down my PC or let it go into standby, bitcoin mining is currently costing me $5 per month of additional electric. So basically, bitcoin mining is now simply paying for the convenience of leaving my PC turned on.

I'll quit at the next difficulty level or if the price falls under $5 a coin.
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Price is topping $240 today. Got my mining set back up and ordered a new 7970 GPU to crank out more hashes.
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