Texas to ban gay foster parents

[4g3nt_Smith]

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st ... 0420173703

Nice little discussion on it, with a nice share of moronix bigots:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=310954

[Massive Quasars]

Even worse...

If the bill gains approval from the Texas Senate, the state will be allowed to investigate the backgrounds of current foster parents and remove children living in non-heterosexual households.

[phantasmagoria]

:lol: is this a joke?

[4g3nt_Smith]

Sadly no. You all can read my response to it at the end of the thread if you feel like it, and read the thread itself if you feel like seeing the dark side of humanity.

[Guest]

Honestly... I'm not so sure I agree with gay's adopting kids anyway.

I think that a model family should have influence from both a male and female for a child to develop properly. I know every life isn't perfect but these are things I think are essential for kids when growing up to have a male and a female role model/guardian. I think it's healthier.

I'm not saying however that gay's would make bad parents but that child wouldn't have the benefit of having a male or female guardian and would probably grow up different than he would have had he/she grown up in a normal household. We'll use the term normal here as the current majority so until everyones as fruity as case that means a man and woman.

I just think it's wrong to deny a child a male and a female guardian.

Also there's a good evolutionary reason for this too that I feel this way and this is a bit more abstract and random thoughtish so please spare me the bullshit, this means you riddla and jackal.

If you wanted the human species to continue and succeed as a species it's important we reproduce and as we all know two guy's can fuck till they're blue in the ass but that's it.

So... as a species I think it's important that we at least try to control somewhat the expansion of humans as a species especialy when we're nearing the space age and we can start colonizing say a planet like mars. Perhaps by then we'll have found other habitable planets in our solar system. So if kids are placed in gay families I know it's not certain they'll turn out gay but you have to at least admit the possibility that they have an increased chance.

[blood.angel]

99.999999999% of humanity has grown up with a father and mother.
And its still a fucking random chance if a person comes out normal or not after being raised by them.
Allowing a couple hundred homos have children is still going to produce randomly fucked up or normal children.
So whats the problem other than idiots fears?

[4g3nt_Smith]

I'm thinking the parents will teach them real values like tolerance. Then, where's the right-wing going to get their dumb fucks to brainwash and use to gain power?

[Postal]

[Canis]

Honestly... I'm not so sure I agree with gay's adopting kids anyway.

I think that a model family should have influence from both a male and female for a child to develop properly. I know every life isn't perfect but these are things I think are essential for kids when growing up to have a male and a female role model/guardian. I think it's healthier.

I'm not saying however that gay's would make bad parents but that child wouldn't have the benefit of having a male or female guardian and would probably grow up different than he would have had he/she grown up in a normal household. We'll use the term normal here as the current majority so until everyones as fruity as case that means a man and woman.

I just think it's wrong to deny a child a male and a female guardian.

Also there's a good evolutionary reason for this too that I feel this way and this is a bit more abstract and random thoughtish so please spare me the bullshit, this means you riddla and jackal.

If you wanted the human species to continue and succeed as a species it's important we reproduce and as we all know two guy's can fuck till they're blue in the ass but that's it.

So... as a species I think it's important that we at least try to control somewhat the expansion of humans as a species especialy when we're nearing the space age and we can start colonizing say a planet like mars. Perhaps by then we'll have found other habitable planets in our solar system. So if kids are placed in gay families I know it's not certain they'll turn out gay but you have to at least admit the possibility that they have an increased chance.

Dont you think it's a stretch to assume one's parents (or the sexual preference of those around a developing child) influence ANYTHING about a child's sexual preference in ANY way?

Another thing is by this logic it would be considered wrong to raise a child in a single-parent household. Over and over again I've heard claims of how to properly raise a child and what's best for children, etc. and all seem to have huge flaws in them.

IMO all a child needs is proper objective guidance and care without all the struggle to mold the child's mind as anyone sees fit.

[Guest]

Yeah well it kinda is hard on the child of a single parent I'd know I was one. But that's not something we had any control over and THAT'S natural life. In this case we do have control over it and why not give the child that benefit?

I don't think either that it's a stretch of the imagination that a parents sexual orientation might affect a growing childs preference in the future. I'm not saying it's 100% for sure the kid will turn out gay but on average I would be surprised if the statistics don't say I'm right.

[Canis]

Yeah well it kinda is hard on the child of a single parent I'd know I was one. But that's not something we had any control over and THAT'S natural life. In this case we do have control over it and why not give the child that benefit?

I don't think either that it's a stretch of the imagination that a parents sexual orientation might affect a growing childs preference in the future. I'm not saying it's 100% for sure the kid will turn out gay but on average I would be surprised if the statistics don't say I'm right.

What's "natural"?!? Every animal out there has homosexuality to some degree, whether or not it's preferential. The only thing homosexuality doesnt do is provide an avenue for procreation. Frankly, I didnt learn about procreation from my parents. I learned about it from peers at school and my own curiosity, snatching peaks at porno mags and internet sites, etc.

I honestly believe homosexual parents wont affect one bit of a child's sexuality, but rather allow them to be more open to accepting those who are homosexual and be more at ease with the concept of it. Heck, how do you explain the fact that my brother is gay and I'm not, even though we both came from the same parents and were brought up in the same household, undergoing very similar childhood experiences? There are pleanty of people who are homosexual, but they hide it and undergo major depression and other psychological problems because they're too scared to come out and be themselves. Accepting homosexuality as natural, and allowing homosexuals the same opportunities as eveyone else is only productive. Preventing them such opportunities is only the manifestation of fear and discomfort from a conservative, guarded mentality...

[4g3nt_Smith]

They say you're wrong. Almost every study (aside from the few put out by the US gov't) show that a parent's sexual orientation has little to no affect on a child's.

I meant to Kracus, but was too lazy to quote

[R00k]

Obviously they'd be much better off in a sterile, impersonal adoption agency or orphanage than they would be with two people who actually want a kid.

[Guest]

They say you're wrong. Almost every study (aside from the few put out by the US gov't) show that a parent's sexual orientation has little to no affect on a child's.

I meant to Kracus, but was too lazy to quote

Little to no effect? That seems pretty weak...

[Canis]

They say you're wrong. Almost every study (aside from the few put out by the US gov't) show that a parent's sexual orientation has little to no affect on a child's.

I meant to Kracus, but was too lazy to quote

Little to no effect? That seems pretty weak...

The "little effect" is probably the children who are actually gay, but who would have hid it away, being more comfortable coming out and being gay. Of course I havent read the details of the studies, so that's just a shot in the dark, but it's worth keeping in mind when looking at the details of the studies.

[Guest]

Yeah well it kinda is hard on the child of a single parent I'd know I was one. But that's not something we had any control over and THAT'S natural life. In this case we do have control over it and why not give the child that benefit?

I don't think either that it's a stretch of the imagination that a parents sexual orientation might affect a growing childs preference in the future. I'm not saying it's 100% for sure the kid will turn out gay but on average I would be surprised if the statistics don't say I'm right.

What's "natural"?!? Every animal out there has homosexuality to some degree, whether or not it's preferential. The only thing homosexuality doesnt do is provide an avenue for procreation. Frankly, I didnt learn about procreation from my parents. I learned about it from peers at school and my own curiosity, snatching peaks at porno mags and internet sites, etc.

I honestly believe homosexual parents wont affect one bit of a child's sexuality, but rather allow them to be more open to accepting those who are homosexual and be more at ease with the concept of it. Heck, how do you explain the fact that my brother is gay and I'm not, even though we both came from the same parents and were brought up in the same household, undergoing very similar childhood experiences? There are pleanty of people who are homosexual, but they hide it and undergo major depression and other psychological problems because they're too scared to come out and be themselves. Accepting homosexuality as natural, and allowing homosexuals the same opportunities as eveyone else is only productive. Preventing them such opportunities is only the manifestation of fear and discomfort from a conservative, guarded mentality...

Are you saying straight parents can't convey those same ethical ideas?

Although it's less about how the parents raise the child,whether they be gay or not and more about the child having both a male and female role model. It's important for a girl to have a female role model and same as a boy to have a male role model. As a child that grew up with no father I can honestly say I have regrets about not having a father as I grew up but that's life you deal with it, I'm sure a child in a gay relationship would do the same but if given the option...

[sys0p]

It has to have an effect. I grew up without my dad, and having only my mum around to teach me shit practically turned me into a poof. My eyes well up during sad parts in films, I use moisturizer, and I drive a girls car.

I bet if I had two poofs for parents instead, I'd do all of those things as well as suck cocks.

[Guest]

They say you're wrong. Almost every study (aside from the few put out by the US gov't) show that a parent's sexual orientation has little to no affect on a child's.

I meant to Kracus, but was too lazy to quote

Little to no effect? That seems pretty weak...

The "little effect" is probably the children who are actually gay, but who would have hid it away, being more comfortable coming out and being gay. Of course I havent read the details of the studies, so that's just a shot in the dark, but it's worth keeping in mind when looking at the details of the studies.

You keep talking like straight parents constantly make gay kids hide in the closet when that's not true if the parents were good parents.

[blood.angel]

Its fucking common sense people.
There would be a race of homos existing now if two homos automatically magically made a kid they are in contact with homo.
Homosexuality wasnt a fucking thing created in the 60s you know.

[Canis]

Little to no effect? That seems pretty weak...

The "little effect" is probably the children who are actually gay, but who would have hid it away, being more comfortable coming out and being gay. Of course I havent read the details of the studies, so that's just a shot in the dark, but it's worth keeping in mind when looking at the details of the studies.

You keep talking like straight parents constantly make gay kids hide in the closet when that's not true if the parents were good parents.

But I'm also not advocating we do away with straight parents or anything absurd like that. I'm just seeing nothing wrong with having homosexual parents at all, and am strongly against preventing homosexual parents from fostering a child because there's a notion that the conservative way, having two parents being a woman and a man, is somehow "better" than any other option. There's no proof for this, and it's only in place because without a woman and a man there would be no children. Beyond procreation, the idea of the "woman/man" match has nothing to do with how we develop, either as a society or as individuals. It's all about the ideas that are fed to us, not who they're coming from. There are some pretty fucked up "straight" families out there which argues against the idea that straight families are somehow superior to gays, even to single parents. Actually I'd offer the notion there are more fucked up straight families in total than there are gay foster families, so the bigger problem IMO is in the straight families, not this tangential preocupation with gays based on our uncomfortableness and fears with them. That's pretty much all it stems down to: people are insecure and therefore take it out on those they're insecure about instead of tackling real problems.

[Guest]

Well as a child that had no male role model growing up I can attest that a child would rather have both from personal experience so perhaps this is why our views are different.

[Canis]

Well as a child that had no male role model growing up I can attest that a child would rather have both from personal experience so perhaps this is why our views are different.

And I'm not going against this notion, but I'm opposed to the idea that the parents would have any influence on the child's sexuality, or have a negative influence on the child. I have my own ideas about desiring differences in my upbringing, but overall I cannot say they would have been for the better. Of course, I am coming from the socially accepted ideal of two married parents who are still together, but I think what I'm saying is quite valid. Beyond your wish to having had a father around, would it have changed fundamentally who you are? As well, do you think "who" he is would have changed fundamental aspects about yourself, namely your sexual preference?

[blood.angel]

Well as a child that had no male role model growing up I can attest that a child would rather have both from personal experience so perhaps this is why our views are different.

So you are confimring you are a faggot then.
With no father figure your mother turned you infeminite and thus onto homosexuality?
Or how if you only had a father, would only male contact turn you into an ultra shy person in front of women, and so youd only be yourself in front of other men, thus turning you to homosexuality again.

Got your argument both ways.
ITS FUCKING RANDOM, REGARDLESS OF PARENTAGE.

[Guest]

Well as a child that had no male role model growing up I can attest that a child would rather have both from personal experience so perhaps this is why our views are different.

And I'm not going against this notion, but I'm opposed to the idea that the parents would have any influence on the child's sexuality, or have a negative influence on the child. I have my own ideas about desiring differences in my upbringing, but overall I cannot say they would have been for the better. Of course, I am coming from the socially accepted ideal of two married parents who are still together, but I think what I'm saying is quite valid. Beyond your wish to having had a father around, would it have changed fundamentally who you are? As well, do you think "who" he is would have changed fundamental aspects about yourself, namely your sexual preference?

Each person is unique, but I first had sex when I was 24. I think that says a lot.

[Canis]

Well as a child that had no male role model growing up I can attest that a child would rather have both from personal experience so perhaps this is why our views are different.

And I'm not going against this notion, but I'm opposed to the idea that the parents would have any influence on the child's sexuality, or have a negative influence on the child. I have my own ideas about desiring differences in my upbringing, but overall I cannot say they would have been for the better. Of course, I am coming from the socially accepted ideal of two married parents who are still together, but I think what I'm saying is quite valid. Beyond your wish to having had a father around, would it have changed fundamentally who you are? As well, do you think "who" he is would have changed fundamental aspects about yourself, namely your sexual preference?

Each person is unique, but I first had sex when I was 24. I think that says a lot.

I agree, and think it's all quite subjective, which I feel even further supports the notion that what the parents are is not important at all, but rather who they are to the child, which should be good role models in terms of their personalities.