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Foo wrote:Eh? It doesn't. Nor does it have q3's 'Strafe Jumping'.
Ah, okay, that would explain why I've just been doing it on various maps for the past 45 minutes...

It's not the same technique as Q3, but Quake does have it.
It's widely known amongst people who play Quake.
Even some people who's favourite game isn't Quake know it has strafe jumping.
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Mat Linnett wrote:
Foo wrote:Eh? It doesn't. Nor does it have q3's 'Strafe Jumping'.
Ah, okay, that would explain why I've just been doing it on various maps for the past 45 minutes...

It's not the same technique as Q3, but Quake does have it.
It's widely known amongst people who play Quake.
Even some people who's favourite game isn't Quake know it has strafe jumping.
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WELL DONE ITS CALLED BUNNY HOPPING.

So it's not the same thing as in Quake 3, yet Quake 1 has it, but it's a different thing?

This on top of you inventing me stating it doesn't have 'strafe jumping'. But now it does, but it's not Strafe Jumping.

Never since Viruseater have I seen someone invent things I haven't said and tried to use it to insult me. Genius.
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You did, in id Legends quite some time ago. I remember catching you out on it before.
Of course, the old board is gone, so I can't prove it.
But it was in a thread where you were proclaiming Quake was your favourite game.

But of course, you probably never did that either, did you?
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Mat Linnett wrote:You did, in id Legends quite some time ago. I remember catching you out on it before.
Of course, the old board is gone, so I can't prove it.
But it was in a thread where you were proclaiming Quake was your favourite game.

But of course, you probably never did that either, did you?
Okay, so you're stating that I've said something that you can't prove, a long time ago because you have a sharp memory, and that I said quake 1 didn't have something that is apparently not the same thing but something different.

For the record, I do indeed consider Quake 1 to be my all-time favorite game, and it does not contain Q3 Strafe Jumping. It does contain a kind of circle jump, and another odd one that I can't nail down. Both of these moves I never knew about all the time I was playing Q1.

And if we're not already losing the plot by this point, you're also stating that for a game to be my favorite, I would have to know everything about it.

Aside from being confused, I think you're coming across as a complete fucking spastic right now.

Which is odd, because you're normally quite a level headed person.

Perhaps if you want to store up some 'facts' about me to use later, you might want to make sure they're correct first. Perhaps by questioning it at the time instead of 'quite some time' later.



And lets return to one of your original posts, that I'm posting 'pseudo intellectual' ramblings. I'm going over them because, unlike many other posters, your opinion does matter to me, and I'm actually bothered that you seem to have misinterpreted me so badly:

Here's a quote of my points:
No, the DS is a letdown because Nintendo have broken their trend of keeping backwards compatability, have produced an underpowered machine for the size, a VERY poor release line up, and a machine that feels like tat. It's heavy, has expanses of blank, dull silver plastic where screen should be.
This looks to me like an opinion, not 'intellectual' anything. Opinions are opinions, and if you're going to accuse someone of having a 'pseudo intellectual' opinion, then I don't know how to argue against that, it doesn't make much sense to me.

Now, one or two other nuggets:
You can look at the DS two ways, a ballsy innovation or a desperate attempt to regain some market.
Leaving you with the clear option of choosing the former and disregarding the latter. I did in a later sentence state that it 'was' the latter, apologies, but I don't think I need to prefix such things with 'I think' for it to be regarded my opinion. That's a given. Maybe you a and I disagree on this?
It has been released at the same time. It's the PSPs competitor. That's not rocket science.
Again, not rocket science. If you'd like to argue this point, please do so. I think o'dium has come around to agree with this, though.
Sure, which is why it'll likely be released 18+ months after the PSP
Again, not pseudo-science. The earliest release I could find predicted Christmas 2005 and that wasn't a reliable source. I think I was probably being generous with 18 months, but perhaps not.

...that about wraps up me-reviewing-all-my-posts-in-this-thread-because-you-seem-to-have-found-things-I-didn't-say-in-between-the-lines.

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Okay, one thing Foo.
Do you actually own either?
I believe you have stated that you don't.
Now, granted, you don't HAVE to own something to form an opinion on it, but it does help.
I'm guessing you've played one, maybe 2 games on the DS if any, and I'm 99% certain you've not even laid eyes on a PSP.
I personally believe you're mostly dismissing both machines using badly formed opinions based on limited, and in one case, completely non-existent experience.
In fact, I'm guessing you don't really care about the state of either machine at all, you just like a good excuse for an argument.

Donny has played and owns both machines (at least I think he owns the DS), and has stated he prefers the PSP.
This is valuable opinion.
Yours is not.

Edit: The other stuff, whilst essentially superfluous to the debate, was stated so as to undermine your credentials as a serious gamer who's opinion matters on such subjects.
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Mat Linnett wrote:Donny has played and owns both machines (at least I think he owns the DS), and has stated he prefers the PSP.
This is valuable opinion.
Yours is not.
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Wow... I haven't seen a Nintendo fanboy in such a long time.
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Mat Linnett wrote:Okay, one thing Foo.
One thing? It's good to see you step back from all of your previous statements and not feel the need to either admit an error on your part, or take the time to rebuke my posts.

Your opinion is real valuable man.
Do you actually own either?
I believe you have stated that you don't.
Now, granted, you don't HAVE to own something to form an opinion on it, but it does help.
Granted. But since my opinions were weighed on the basis of which I would buy, I don't see how this is relevant.

You're saying that in order to express an opinion on a car, one would have had to buy it and several others in the same class to have an opinion on whether one is a worthwhile buy or not?
I'm guessing you've played one, maybe 2 games on the DS if any, and I'm 99% certain you've not even laid eyes on a PSP.
Pretty much accurate.
I personally believe you're mostly dismissing both machines using badly formed opinions based on limited, and in one case, completely non-existent experience.
Again, putting words in my mouth, haven't you picked up that you need to state things I've actually said, in order for them to be things I've actually said? Narcissist?

I don't dismiss the PSP at all, I think it'll do tremendously well and is a technological triumph. It's outside my price range (as I believe I stated), and that's my reason for not wanting one.
In fact, I'm guessing you don't really care about the state of either machine at all, you just like a good excuse for an argument.
And again with trying to write my posts off by convincing someone (yourself?) that I'm not being serious. I am, and define what you mean by 'care', because that doesn't mean ANYTHING that I can figure out. Care as in care about the company that makes them, or care as in care whether someone spends their money on console which I truly believe will be a let-down? Perhaps noone out there values my opinion, I could live with that, but neither you or anyone else knows for sure who does and who doesn't. Perhaps this is my reasoning behind posting my opinion on a public messageboard? Hmm. We're getting deep. Think carefully before you lead me into more 'pseudo intellectualism'.
Edit: The other stuff, whilst essentially superfluous to the debate, was stated so as to undermine your credentials as a serious gamer who's opinion matters on such subjects.
And in the end proved to be entirely innacurate, so this leaves you in return with what credibility?
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More than the guy who stated that RE4 was a one camera wonder....

And regarding who does or does not value your opinion, I wouldn't want people who could potentially enjoy either the DS or the PSP being put off by the opinions of someone who openly admits to having little to no experience with either system.
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Mat Linnett wrote:More than the guy who stated that RE4 was a one camera wonder....
Stated resident evil was a one-camera wonder. Which is true. But admittedly a generalisation. I don't beleive anyone, save a demented fanboy determined to argue over stupid shit, would see it as anything other than that.

The underlying point, which you seem to be missing entirely, is that the resident evil line of games, and indeed many others, sacrifice dynamics for graphical quality.

But no, you keep taking things far too literally. Hell, misquote me then take whatever you want to make up literally too.
And regarding who does or does not value your opinion, I wouldn't want people who could potentially enjoy either the DS or the PSP being put off by the opinions of someone who openly admits to having little to no experience with either system,
Which is why you didn't (couldn't) argue against the points I made and instead went off on some inane shit about Quake 1 and whether or not I owned the consoles? Fuck man, I'd hate to have someone go out and buy a console on the STRENGTH of some spastic mentalist like that.

Not only that, oddly what you've acheived is bringing my opinions in this thread to the forefront and ensured even more people will, if not agree with them, then pay more attention to them. I guess what you hoped to do was discredit them, but this seems to have backfired. Not to mention being a lame ploy anyone could see through, regardless.
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both of you need to stop it...its gotten so far off from the whole psp/ds thing that its retarded.
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Chupacabra wrote:both of you need to stop it...its gotten so far off from the whole psp/ds thing that its retarded.
Yes, and so unlike both of you.
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Sorry. It's not that I meant to, I'm just feeling pretty insulted.

I'll stop.
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Pst... he likes sonic... :p
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Kracus wrote:Pst... he likes sonic... :p
Hehe, I also love uniracers :icon30:

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lol I used to love uniracers... :p
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Okay, here's my opinion on the DS. I won't offer one on the PSP, as I don't own one.

It's a great time-waster.
I use my DS when I've got a few spare minutes here or there.
It's not designed as a system you'll be potentially spending hours with, and as such, the Mario 64 remake fails utterly on it.

But games such as WarioWare, Polarium & Zookeeper are fantastic timewasters. They're fast, addictive and fun. And quitting mid-game doesn't hold any massive ramifications.
Great for when you're waiting for the bus, or other such mundane stuff.

I believe this is one of it's strengths. Granted, this doesn't itself offer much more than the standard Gameboy or SP, but the use of the touchscreen & microphone just raises it above these prior machines.
It's something you can pass around to your mates, giving instant gratification using an intuitive interface that has little to no learning curve.

It can be uncomfortable if used for extensive periods of time, but I found the SP even more uncomfortable due to it's small profile. My fingers would cramp up quite quickly whilst using the SP, not really something desirable for a "Hand-held" games machine.
No such problem with the DS, although using it for traditional SP games using the D-pad and buttons leaves you with the definite sense that that's not really what it's designed for, but these buttons are the legacy of the DS' limited backward compatability.

Regarding the wide expanses of empty plastic, I honestly hadn't even thought of that until you mentioned it, and actually looking at it right now, I think your point here is invalid. There really isn't that much wasted space on the machine at all, especially when you consider the positioning of the D-pad and buttons in relation to the screen on the lid (I know, this is kind of contradictory to my last point regarding ergonomics, but if you are going to have a degree of backwards compatability, they need to be there).

The screens themselves are both bright and equally clear, with no dead pixels, although I hear that the stories of prolific dead pixels on the PSP are mostly fistion as well.

Regarding build quality, I'll happily admit that it doesn't look the prettiest, and the silver colour does indeed make it look quite tacky.
HOWEVER, when you hold it and move the various parts, everything feels solid and well assembled.
Everything is tight, moving parts all snap together nicely, and the buttons feel solid, so whilst looking a bit tacky, it feels great.

I'm not happy with the finish on it. For a couple of days, I carried it in my pockets without any kind of casing, and as a result, a spot of paint has come off. The old plain plastic style casing would have been a lot more practical.
This does make it much less portable, as you pretty much HAVE to buy a case if you want it to retain what little good looks it does have.
The official Nintendo case is the size, and indeed has the look of a small handbag.
So as well as affecting it's portability, it's rather embarrassing to carry around.

I think Nintendo have got something unique in the DS, and are approaching it's main selling point rather well. Controlling games by touch adds a little more to the immersion factor, leaving you with a more tangible sense of having a physical effect on items in the games that take advantage of the touch screen. I think it's a valuable new addition to gaming (although something that could have been achieved on PDAs a loooong time ago).

Blowing or yelling in to the microphone is just plain silly though :D
Fun, but silly, and not something you'd really feel comfortable doing in public.

Time will tell with games on the DS, although initial sales figures are VERY good, and financially speaking, it's already considered a success story.

Now I hope people who are considering buying the DS will find this information valuable.
It's not based on the opinion of others, or the ravings of a fanboy.
It's pretty subjective, and considers the flaws as well as the successes of the DS.
And it's all based on first hand experience.

Sorry if I've insulted you Foo, but I hate people dismissing things they have little to no experience of.
I would LOVE to dismiss the PSP offhand, as I hate Sony as a brand, especially considering some of their more monopolistic business practises (one only has to look briefly into broadcast tech to get a feel for this).

I also am of the opinion that Sony's popularisation of the games market resulted in huge dumbing down, but I know that if I were to really sit down and be honest about it, it's probably been more beneficial to gamers as a whole than detrimental.

So I have to get some first-hand experience before I can really judge which is better. But before that happens, I'm going to read as much informed opinion as possible from sources I can trust so that I know a system is worth my hard-earned cash.
I would hope that other people would do the same.
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Thanks Mat, and sorry.
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UniRacers / UniRally (euro title) fucking rocked
music owned, and the speeds.. my god the speeeds!! :icon14: :icon14:
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Foo wrote:
Kracus wrote:Pst... he likes sonic... :p
Hehe, I also love uniracers :icon30:

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