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Kracus Kracus Kracus.
First, whales can only be hunted at a certain time of the year when they come inland. Also, contrary to what you might think, Inuit people do not have gills and can therefore not stalk a whale for days out on the water.
Inuit people rarely eat whale. They are more apt to eat something like a seal, caribou, fish, or birds.
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FFS Sucrak...how much of a beating do you enjoy?
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Jackal wrote:Kracus Kracus Kracus.
First, whales can only be hunted at a certain time of the year when they come inland. Also, contrary to what you might think, Inuit people do not have gills and can therefore not stalk a whale for days out on the water.
Inuit people rarely eat whale. They are more apt to eat something like a seal, caribou, fish, or birds.
Trust me they eat whale, most communities are allowed to catch 2 per year. That doesn't mean they do but that's what they are allotted.

Besides, back to your points about foraging still apply to what I'm saying. A farm is more than cattle, it's also farmland filled with food. As I said earlier, a farm is way more efficient than hunting AND gathering since you grow crops at the farm meaning it's less difficult to forage for food since you know exactly where to get it!

Foraging invovles finding the food and would require much more people to do the same job a few farmers could do with the proper machinery. Again, way more efficient.

edit: I saw a special on unuits hunting a whale btw and it took them something like 12 hours to catch it. They basicly sit in a canoe till one wanders by.
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Yeah and for the record, anyone arguing that a hunter/gatherer society is more efficient in this thread is getting owned period cause it's simply NOT.

It may be more economicly efficient but that's a whole different argument.
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I've already annihilated your farming argument. You really don't need to try it again.

The way efficiency is calculated in anthropology is in terms of energy expenditure/balance. Since you obviously have no formal training in anthropology whatsoever (or indeed a piece of paper that tell you you know about any subject), I guess you weren't expected to know that.
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Yeah that's basicly what I said you fucking idiot.

How is it not more efficient if 10 people can provide for a thousand, and don't even bother telling me a farm can't cause I know better k? I may not have a piece of paper but I fucking worked on a farm and no piece of paper is going to tell me a decent sized farm can't provide food for a thousand people for a year.

A cattle farm alone probably slaughters enough food in 1 hour than a hunter OR gatherer will gather in a day. So I don't know where you guys are fucking daydreaming but you're both fucking high.
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i smoke more weed then u and i am better then u...any questions?
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Kracus wrote:
How is it not more efficient if 10 people can provide for a thousand, and don't even bother telling me a farm can't cause I know better k? I
This is exactly Sucrak's problem.
No amount of "proof" or "evidence" will sway him because he knows better k?

You are soooooo stupid.
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he actually believes osama was involved in 911...rofl...
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Kracus wrote:
Jackal wrote:Kracus Kracus Kracus.
First, whales can only be hunted at a certain time of the year when they come inland. Also, contrary to what you might think, Inuit people do not have gills and can therefore not stalk a whale for days out on the water.
Inuit people rarely eat whale. They are more apt to eat something like a seal, caribou, fish, or birds.
Trust me they eat whale, most communities are allowed to catch 2 per year. That doesn't mean they do but that's what they are allotted.

Besides, back to your points about foraging still apply to what I'm saying. A farm is more than cattle, it's also farmland filled with food. As I said earlier, a farm is way more efficient than hunting AND gathering since you grow crops at the farm meaning it's less difficult to forage for food since you know exactly where to get it!

Foraging invovles finding the food and would require much more people to do the same job a few farmers could do with the proper machinery. Again, way more efficient.

edit: I saw a special on unuits hunting a whale btw and it took them something like 12 hours to catch it. They basicly sit in a canoe till one wanders by.
I know they eat whale, I'm not disputing that. They don't, however, go out and catch a whale whenever they think they will need one. You see Inuit people lead a transhumant lifestyle. This means that their own living patterns follow those of certain herds of animals. In the summer they live out on the ice, where they can hunt certain types of animals with relative ease. In the winter it gets colder so they move further inland, where there are other types of animals to hunt.
About your whale comment, you said they hunt for days then changed you mind and said it was hours. I'm well aware of teh fact that they can stalk an animal for hours but since Inuit people generally live in close kinship groups they generally only hunt smaller game such as seal. A whale is something that can only be hunted with a larger group of men and therefore doesn't happen very often.
Sorry if that contradicts that tv show you saw.
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i have a whale in my pants.

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he's called moby.
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Jackal wrote:
Kracus wrote:
Jackal wrote:Kracus Kracus Kracus.
First, whales can only be hunted at a certain time of the year when they come inland. Also, contrary to what you might think, Inuit people do not have gills and can therefore not stalk a whale for days out on the water.
Inuit people rarely eat whale. They are more apt to eat something like a seal, caribou, fish, or birds.
Trust me they eat whale, most communities are allowed to catch 2 per year. That doesn't mean they do but that's what they are allotted.

Besides, back to your points about foraging still apply to what I'm saying. A farm is more than cattle, it's also farmland filled with food. As I said earlier, a farm is way more efficient than hunting AND gathering since you grow crops at the farm meaning it's less difficult to forage for food since you know exactly where to get it!

Foraging invovles finding the food and would require much more people to do the same job a few farmers could do with the proper machinery. Again, way more efficient.

edit: I saw a special on unuits hunting a whale btw and it took them something like 12 hours to catch it. They basicly sit in a canoe till one wanders by.
I know they eat whale, I'm not disputing that. They don't, however, go out and catch a whale whenever they think they will need one. You see Inuit people lead a transhumant lifestyle. This means that their own living patterns follow those of certain herds of animals. In the summer they live out on the ice, where they can hunt certain types of animals with relative ease. In the winter it gets colder so they move further inland, where there are other types of animals to hunt.
About your whale comment, you said they hunt for days then changed you mind and said it was hours. I'm well aware of teh fact that they can stalk an animal for hours but since Inuit people generally live in close kinship groups they generally only hunt smaller game such as seal. A whale is something that can only be hunted with a larger group of men and therefore doesn't happen very often.
Sorry if that contradicts that tv show you saw.
I never insinuated anything else what's your point?
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You SAID (not insinuated) that it takes days to hunt a whale.
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why you even try to have a discussion with krapus is beyond me, Krapus the puny pseudo-intellect.
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and to catch a whale usualy takes a couple day's I beleive.
I know I said usualy and maybe that's wrong, I'm not sure and I said so, I know it takes awhile and I'm sure it's possible groups have left for a couple day's to catch a whale. That doesn't mean they sit in the canoe for 2 day's but after catching the whale, setting everything up, cutting it, doing all the prep work and bringing it back...
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And this whale shit isn't even the topic. You're trying to argue that a hunter/gatherer society is more efficient than an agricultural society, and even trying to compare it to modern society. :dork:

You're calling me stupid?
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I'm pretty sure this thread makes the fact that you are stupid more than abundantly clear.
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Yeah, ok. I'll gladly be called stupid in this thread cause anyone that agrees with you is as stupid as you are.
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poor karcus...maybe hes too stone to understand...
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I'm not too stoned to understand farming is far more efficient than hunting/gathering food. Obviously half this fucking messageboard however is too retarded to understand progress.
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What would be progress would be you admitting how much of an idiot you are.
You're like school on a sunday kracus, no class.
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You're like a retard in university. Jackass.
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Wouldn't it just be more effective to say I AM a retard in university?
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Jackal wrote:I AM a retard in university?
Whatever you say there retard. I'm going home.
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