Great Article

Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:43 pm

Doombrain wrote:
R00k wrote:
Doombrain wrote:rubbish
british
Great British

Responsible for 90% of the problems in the world today. :lol:

Post by **R00k** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:45 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Rook,

Good read. Lets hope the Democrats can find a good candidate for the next election eh?

At this point, if that happened, I think I would start to believe in miracles and divine intervention. hell, i would start going to church. :lol:

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:47 pm

theres no difference between republicans and democrats anymore...the same ppl control their strings...

Post by **MrSparkle** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:50 pm

Who cares? America will get attacked again, and I'll laugh. :lol:

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:53 pm

if it does it will be an attack from within...once again...

Post by **Fender** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:04 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Fender,

What is it about government that makes it incapable of delivering services effectively?

A short read on the case for universal medicine for your consideration.

http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_ ... states.htm

For one, the lack of accountability. There's no penalty if a program doesn't work. The political solution is to throw more money at it.

Interesting read. Some of the problems highlighted by that article are actually being caused by too much government intervention.
A couple of counter points, or other perspectives. The first one is a really good point. We really don't have a choice in health care. Changing the tax code would give people much more freedom and encourage competition in the marketplace.
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-11-99.html
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3057

Post by **R00k** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:32 pm

I support a lot of free-market ideas, but you have to admit that businesses in the states, especially large ones that handle lots of money - are just as corrupt and unaccountable as the federal government at this stage.

Even if Ken Lay were to get 50 years in federal, fuck-me-in-the-ass prison (which he never will), he still defrauded millions of people, not only of their stock holdings, but also of their entire retirement accounts.

We would have to make some severe reforms for corporations in this country -- and I'm still not sure I would trust them to handle all my healthcare. Not to mention the fact that, businesses being private, it would be much easier for them to refuse care to someone than it would for a public entity.

Post by **RiffRaff** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:53 am

Fender wrote: As soon as the gov't started handing out money to people, they started expecting it. Now they feel they deserve it.

:icon14:

Freak, if you're going to try to make a case, throw out some information like Fender did. Rhetoric doesn't get you anywhere unless you're talking to the ones with their hands out.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:31 am

People won't be living to 80 in 2050, or whatever numbers they were bouncing around. SS may fail quicker than people anticipate. While Bush is a douche, I'm not going to ride the bandwagon on this one. SS is in trouble.

I haven't read all of the Fender and R00k posts yet. Just wanted to chime in.