alm3dm5 - Inner Demise [Beta 1]

[ALMighty]

Download: http://alm.gamedesign.net/levels/alm3dm5_beta1.zip

This is the first time I made basically everything myself, textures and models. It turned out better than I thought it would, and it was fun so I think I will be doing it more in the future.

I rebuilt the layout countless times. I think it turned out pretty good in the end, but let me know if you think it's got problems. I will probably start another map instead of rebuilding this one though.

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[o'dium]

Cool atmosphere

Only thing I dont like is that stone texture, its just wrong... Now I'm not sure if its the texture itself, or if its the fact its used too much and isn't broke up enough... Or maybe its a lack of dirt decals?

Great job though, love it.

[dichtfux]

Only gave it a short try, will test more later. Playing the bots was fun in cpma and I didn't find any major flaws. The stone texture looks a bit boring on the screenshots but it felt better in-game. I like the lighting (though some ppl may consider it a bit dark, don't know) and atmosphere. The terrain is cool too cause it looks good but doesn't ruin gameplay.

There is z-fighting on the floor under a doorway, I marked the area in the image below.

[g0th-]

I can see where you are going with this and I like it but you can make this look much better with a couple of more textures, right know I could only count them to tree. I would suggest to make at least a trim texture to help break up the bricks (it will do wonders).

As I said before I like the atmosphere you got going here and you have a good foundation to build upon. So keep at it.
I also really like the broken parts.

[wattro]

thirded (or is fourthed?) about the textures needing break-up and variety.

It seems *really* dark. It doesn't need to be much lighter, but some well-placed vertical and horizontal trim would really help, imo.

[obsidian]

To keep it gloomy without being overly too dark, you can try playing around with -gamma and -compensate in the light stage of your compile. I'm sure it'll do wonders to brighten up the interiors while keeping the exterior close to what it is now.

[ALMighty]

Cool atmosphere

Only thing I dont like is that stone texture, its just wrong... Now I'm not sure if its the texture itself, or if its the fact its used too much and isn't broke up enough... Or maybe its a lack of dirt decals?

Great job though, love it.

I'm really glad you liked the the atmosphere. I enjoy your work so it means a lot.
I still have much to learn about texturing, and think I know what you mean about the brick texture. I'll see if I can fix it.

[ALMighty]

dichtfux: Thank you for pointing out those flaws.

obsidian: I'll try those out.

Thanks for the suggestions all. I'll see what I can do.

[ALMighty]

Playing around with q3map2. This is with -gamma 1.5 -compensate 2. I tried higher values before but it looked very washed out.

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BTW, what was I thinking adding a clock?! It's supposed to be an medieval castle! I think I have a clock fetish.

[bork[e]]

Cool atmosphere

I thought the same, and once again I agree you need to chop some of the textures up a bit. If you were to add a bit of detail to some corners and other areas of the outside of your buildings I think you could fix that gripe fairly easy.

Maybe a large stone "out of place" would help in places?


The inside looked a bit dark in areas, but looks like you are already working on that anyway. The plasma room looks nice though, love the shadows falling down over the gun.

imo it could use a another 25 health bubble somewhere, but not sure where, couldn't really decide on the few runs I did. Maybe good as it, just seemed like I would run around until I was killed, may just need to learn the map a bit more though.

[obsidian]

Typical values are -gamma 2 -compensate 4. I suppose as a starting point you can try 3 and 4 respectively. Gamma increases your ermm... gamma (brightness) and compensate ermm... compensates, by bringing out of bound values back down to something reasonable. There's a bit of fine tweaking involved.

Nice little jumps all over the place that makes it enjoyable and fast movement.

I kind of liked that clock, gave it a bit more character and adds to the surreal look to it. Perhaps carry that further by adding twinkling stars, not realistic points of light, but actual five pointed stars. Also, toss a great big moon up there somewhere. Perhaps use a portal sky.

About the lighting, the shadows are a bit too sharp for night time, it needs a lot more penumbra.

See:
http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/Archives ... 27331.html?
http://www.robotrenegade.com/q3map2/doc ... l/apI.html

Also, are you compiling with radiosity (the -bounce switch)?

[v1l3]

I've hung onto alpha3 version you put out quite sometime ago, and damn..I didn't expect to see this. Very Nice. I'd agree that it does seem to be dark, but at the same time the darkness really makes things look a little more detailed in a way...as it makes the brick textures look more real.

[+JuggerNaut+]

that atmosphere reminds me of Lucid Enigma by Dubillian



and a bit of Gloom by Stormshadow



which is a good thing... nice work.

[ALMighty]

"I kind of liked that clock, gave it a bit more character and adds to the surreal look to it. Perhaps carry that further by adding twinkling stars, not realistic points of light, but actual five pointed stars. Also, toss a great big moon up there somewhere. Perhaps use a portal sky."

Yeah, I liked it too. I don't think it fit the medieval theme though. I don't know how to paint skyboxes myself, but that would be cool to try out. I think this one works good enough though.

"About the lighting, the shadows are a bit too sharp for night time, it needs a lot more penumbra."
Also, are you compiling with radiosity (the -bounce switch)?"

I compiled this one with -fast and -filter only, I think. I've switched to -samples 3 now. No -bounce at all, maybe I should try that out.

[ALMighty]

JuggerNaut: That's a very good thing indeed. Both those guys are my idols. Thanks!

v1l3: Glad you like the transformation.

bork[e]: Nice reference picture, that's really helpful and inspiring. I'll look into what you suggested, thanks.

[obsidian]

Don't use -filter with -samples. Here's my default light compile settings (tweak as needed):

-light -fast -patchshadows -samples 3 -bounce 8 -gamma 2 -compensate 4 -dirty

Bounce takes a while, but it's worth it for a final compile.

Also make sure you update your sky shader as I pointed out above.

[MackXX]

The lighting looks excellent and shadows look really nice, what are you doing for lightmap res, 512x512?