Would you give up your sovereignty for world peace?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:15 am

Kracus wrote:stfu the beatles were all gay.

then you woke up pitching a tent.

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:09 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:Are you familiar with Pascal Boyer, Jackal?

No I'm not, who is he? I'd look it up but right now I'm too busy.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:22 pm

u can easily get rid of religion...kill anyone who practices it...if that doesn't work start killing their whole family and friends...and so on and so on...by the end of it the world will be a better place...even if everyone is gone...

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:38 pm

Jackal wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:Are you familiar with Pascal Boyer, Jackal?
No I'm not, who is he? I'd look it up but right now I'm too busy.

Since you're short on time, I'll start with this.

Although unrelated to Boyer, the Rough Cuts episode also interviews anthropologists, psychologist(s), and a neurologist or some sort who stimulates (or suppresses, can't recall) the occipital lobe of patients and gauges their subjective spiritual experiences.

Post by **Canis** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:11 pm

Freakaloin wrote:u can easily get rid of religion...kill anyone who practices it...if that doesn't work start killing their whole family and friends...and so on and so on...by the end of it the world will be a better place...even if everyone is gone...

Sadly the majority, being religious, would get rid of you quickstyle...

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:29 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:
Jackal wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:Are you familiar with Pascal Boyer, Jackal?
No I'm not, who is he? I'd look it up but right now I'm too busy.
Since you're short on time, I'll start with this.

Although unrelated to Boyer, the Rough Cuts episode also interviews anthropologists, psychologist(s), and a neurologist or some sort who stimulates (or suppresses, can't recall) the occipital lobe of patients and gauges their subjective spiritual experiences.

sounds interesting. I wonder what kind of focus group they use for the tests. It would be neat to apply something like that to people who have truly visual religious experiences like the Yanomamo.

Post by **Dr_Watson** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:18 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:
Jackal wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:Are you familiar with Pascal Boyer, Jackal?
No I'm not, who is he? I'd look it up but right now I'm too busy.
Since you're short on time, I'll start with this.

Although unrelated to Boyer, the Rough Cuts episode also interviews anthropologists, psychologist(s), and a neurologist or some sort who stimulates (or suppresses, can't recall) the occipital lobe of patients and gauges their subjective spiritual experiences.

that the little part in the center of the brain that gets stimulated by DMT to give people the equivilent of a "near death experience"?

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:34 pm

Jackal wrote:
sounds interesting. I wonder what kind of focus group they use for the tests. It would be neat to apply something like that to people who have truly visual religious experiences like the Yanomamo.

I'm curious about your characterization of the Yanomamo rituals as 'truly visual religious experiences'. What makes them, if at all, different from some hobo dropping a few tabs and seeing god?

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:39 pm

Ryoki wrote:To unify mankind we must first discover an alien species and declare war on them.

That might just work...

Post by **Jackal** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:46 am

Nightshade wrote:
Jackal wrote:
sounds interesting. I wonder what kind of focus group they use for the tests. It would be neat to apply something like that to people who have truly visual religious experiences like the Yanomamo.
I'm curious about your characterization of the Yanomamo rituals as 'truly visual religious experiences'. What makes them, if at all, different from some hobo dropping a few tabs and seeing god?

There's really not that much of a difference. If you've ever seen a Yanomamo magical death ceremony though you would understand what it is I'm saying. All the men who participate in these ceremonies see the exact same things. Although that's probably linked to culture, one still can't go out and say that what they are seeing isn't "real".

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:56 am

The unnamed person I referred to was probably "Laurentian University neurologist Dr. Michael Persinger." He may or may not have used transcranial magnetic stimulation to influence the brain of his subjects (not patients). Their eyes were well covered for the duration of the experiment.

Post by **dmmh** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:21 am

Kracus wrote:I think we might have to evolve beyond religion to be able to work as a world community.

w3rd

Post by **glossy** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:54 am

An even better idea, instead of trying to merge everyone into a single governmentship -- since obviously the minority countries will get stepped on under a completely unified system -- we could just establish to keep everyone in line. Not a new government over everything, but a kind of co-operation between all the countries. A unity of nations.

Then if anyone stepped out of line, this unity of nations -- maybe "United Nations"? irunno -- would slap them on the wrist and tell them to get back into line and behave; this wouldn't be too hard, since there would only be one of the naughty country, and it would have the rest of the world after them, and noone could stand up to that, right?

No wait, we tried that, and this "unity of nations" forgot thier purpose and ended up being stepped all over by a single country that had balls. Balls that ended up killing up to 19722 civilians in iraq, [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4316955.stm]and over 1500[/quote] of thier own troops.

we need less diplomacy from the UN and more "don't break the fucking law, or we'll break you."

Post by **redfella** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:34 pm

What a minute, I thought Communism failed?