Noni Juice, ( Miraculous ) food supplement???

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:21 am

Good evening my friends.
Precision…This is not a research, just want to know more about the product.

Any of you tried it or heard about it? It seems to be almost a miraculous healing
Bio Vitamin Supplement.
I am starting it tonight. My father is using it for one week and he heard from MD
that this product is fabulous with some revelations about people using it and how
it changed their health.

While ago, I went to an Herbal Life seminar, I am sure you know about it.
Aloes Vera have wonderful results on many type of treatments.

Noni Juice, I never heard about it and the cie have many other products.

Their website: http://leo-desilets.com/shopfr.cfm?Cate ... gorie_id=0

Thanks
Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:23 am

I'd always be very skeptical about any kind of herbal products claims.

Post by **Dr_Watson** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:27 am

considering that their "claims" are just that... claims, Herbal Suppliments don't have to do what they say.
its all completely unregulated.

gg fish oil pills that give you mercury poisening.

Post by **tnf** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:30 am

Snake oil.

Good luck.

Post by **tnf** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:31 am

100% pure...hehe.

Post by **tnf** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:33 am

Although it might be beneficial in raising potassium levels if you are low...seriously.
And probably as an antioxidant.

Post by **tnf** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:36 am

But here is the shit that most people that like alternative magic remedies don't like to see:

Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation (Morinda citrifolia).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... s=15756098

Anyhow, you can find a lot of stuff on it here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... d=15756098
Bear in mind, those are just abstracts, and some are from some pretty random journals....

Here are some of the ones I looked at from that page.

It does have some benefits, possibly, as an antioxidant...but by no means a magic bullet...

Cancer preventive effect of Morinda citrifolia (Noni).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... s=11795436

[Necrotizing hepatitis after taking herbal remedies]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... ds=9856112

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:47 am

I've got some herbal remedies for you...

Smoke 1 every 2 hours and get back to me in 2 weeks. :icon19:

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:04 am

Thanks for your replies.

Tnf, I went through a few articles. At first it seems alarming but after a little thought, could it be that those persons are allergic to the product? Some are to milk, sea food, peanut butter…Like a bee stinger can kill.

After all, it exist for some 2000 years in those countries.

Are these, just some odd occurrences?

Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:06 am

I don't think contracting hepititis is an alergic reaction there pete...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:06 am

imagine being alergic to milk and contracting aids if you were to drink it? :icon19:

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:24 am

Kracus wrote:imagine being alergic to milk and contracting aids if you were to drink it? :icon19:

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Writen by: John Lennon

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:26 am

STFU!

Post by **Dr_Watson** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:44 am

tnf wrote:Although it might be beneficial in raising potassium levels if you are low...seriously.
And probably as an antioxidant.

doesn't too much potassium give you a heart attack?

Post by **bork[e]** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:46 am

Kracus wrote:STFU!

:icon19:

Hey pete, how's it going...haven't seen ya much.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:04 am

bork[e] wrote:
Kracus wrote:STFU!
:icon19:

Hey pete, how's it going...haven't seen ya much.

Hey! My friend, nice to see you.
May be you could just come reply in one of my threads and this way, just as you did now, we'll keep in touch.

May be you would have something also that we could talk about in my previous threads wich are no longer in the first page.

Thanks
take Care!
Pete

Post by **tnf** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:20 am

pete wrote:Thanks for your replies.

Tnf, I went through a few articles. At first it seems alarming but after a little thought, could it be that those persons are allergic to the product? Some are to milk, sea food, peanut butter…Like a bee stinger can kill.

After all, it exist for some 2000 years in those countries.

Are these, just some odd occurrences?

Pete

Acute hapatotoxicity is not an allergy, as kracus mentioned.

I would guess this product's benefits come from exactly what are mentioned in the literature...possible antioxidant activity, maybe helping potassium levels if you have low ones...but like it said...the person had hyperkalemia - high levels of potassium in the blood. They were on a low-potassium diet, but were supplementing with this herbal supplement, and thus still were showing high potassium levels even on the low potassium diet. If this patient already had kidney problems, as this one did, you've got a real problem, since kidneys excrete excess potassium...but high potassium levels can lead to arrhythmias.

Not sure the level that would cause acute heart failure...but there are also neuromuscular problems that can arise from messed up potassium levels.

This is just one example of how something is perceived as completely innocuous because it is 'natural' yet can have significant impacts on health in general, and even moreso if you have existing conditions. It must drive doctors crazy when their patients don't disclose the fact that they are taking a number of different herbal remedies that can cause all sorts of complications.

Best bet pete, take a multivitamin, maybe some extra vitamin E, eat a good diet, exercise, stay hydrated, and you are going to do about as much for yourself as you can.

Vitamins can be chelated, etc, to help absorption, but, again, I tend to be pretty skeptical about these 'magic elixirs' - even though they've been used for 2,000 years.
THere isn't anything 'magical' about this particular mix, IMHO.
Anti-oxidants and vitamins...maybe a few other things...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:48 pm

Kracus wrote:STFU!

Hello Kracus,

Yesterday I was just in a really good mood with a spring like beautifull day and after reading another thread about sovereignty for world peace by Cool Blue, I had that song in my head.

How are you today?

Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:50 pm

tnf wrote:
pete wrote:Thanks for your replies.

Tnf, I went through a few articles. At first it seems alarming but after a little thought, could it be that those persons are allergic to the product? Some are to milk, sea food, peanut butter…Like a bee stinger can kill.

After all, it exist for some 2000 years in those countries.

Are these, just some odd occurrences?

Pete
Acute hapatotoxicity is not an allergy, as kracus mentioned.

I would guess this product's benefits come from exactly what are mentioned in the literature...possible antioxidant activity, maybe helping potassium levels if you have low ones...but like it said...the person had hyperkalemia - high levels of potassium in the blood. They were on a low-potassium diet, but were supplementing with this herbal supplement, and thus still were showing high potassium levels even on the low potassium diet. If this patient already had kidney problems, as this one did, you've got a real problem, since kidneys excrete excess potassium...but high potassium levels can lead to arrhythmias.

Not sure the level that would cause acute heart failure...but there are also neuromuscular problems that can arise from messed up potassium levels.

This is just one example of how something is perceived as completely innocuous because it is 'natural' yet can have significant impacts on health in general, and even moreso if you have existing conditions. It must drive doctors crazy when their patients don't disclose the fact that they are taking a number of different herbal remedies that can cause all sorts of complications.

Best bet pete, take a multivitamin, maybe some extra vitamin E, eat a good diet, exercise, stay hydrated, and you are going to do about as much for yourself as you can.

Vitamins can be chelated, etc, to help absorption, but, again, I tend to be pretty skeptical about these 'magic elixirs' - even though they've been used for 2,000 years.
THere isn't anything 'magical' about this particular mix, IMHO.
Anti-oxidants and vitamins...maybe a few other things...

Thanks for your help.

I didn’t mean only allergy though, I know that some person can’t take medicine the same as other person if they have some illness or immune system problems.

Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:29 am

pete wrote:
Kracus wrote:STFU!
Hello Kracus,

Yesterday I was just in a really good mood with a spring like beautifull day and after reading another thread about sovereignty for world peace by Cool Blue, I had that song in my head.

How are you today?

Pete

I see... I'm good, it's thrusday. that means I don't have to put up with any of this bullshit tomorrow.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:46 am

Kracus wrote:
pete wrote:
Kracus wrote:STFU!
Hello Kracus,

Yesterday I was just in a really good mood with a spring like beautifull day and after reading another thread about sovereignty for world peace by Cool Blue, I had that song in my head.

How are you today?

Pete
I see... I'm good, it's thrusday. that means I don't have to put up with any of this bullshit tomorrow.

I spend my whole day cleaning one of my parent's apartment.
Just a bachelor, but still, we rent only clean ones.
That new renter has 11 Max Coffe and as much Kraft Dinner.

We don't usually go throught his stuff but the appartment wasn't finished yet and we were still cleaning the kitchen.

Today was a great day for the ducks...Rainy day.

Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:30 am

GD Evning
Sorry but it is my second night drinking it.
Any of you tried it before?

Pete

Post by **tnf** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:15 am

all you are really drinking is juice with some vitamins, nutrients, and potential antioxidant properties. I'll take a multivitamin, eat a balanced diet, and call it good.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:18 am

pete wrote:
Kracus wrote:imagine being alergic to milk and contracting aids if you were to drink it? :icon19:

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Writen by: John Lennon

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Pete

:icon19: