....here's the first of a two-part series aimed at busting the common myths Americans routinely tell each other about Canadian health care. When the right-wing hysterics drag out these hoary old bogeymen, this time, we need to be armed and ready to blast them into straw. Because, mostly, straw is all they're made of.
I'm still baffled that no one from Canada, Germany, or the UK flew over and punched Fooliani in the face for all the times he said that universal health care would cause a precipitous drop in quality.
FFS, does he think that Canadian doctors are applying mustard poultices to people in mud huts?
On the whole, we live longer because everyone is treated in Canada. However, Americans will get better care if they can afford it. Indeed, Americans live nearly as long as everyone else if you take only those who are covered by insurance and a prescription plan.
Healthcare, public or private, is expensive. It's expensive in real terms, and as a growing proportion of GDP. That will continue to be the case until either people stop wanting to live longer or we overcome biological aging.
I just had to stop reading after the first one cause i was laughing too much
1. Canada's health care system is "socialized medicine."
False. In socialized medical systems, the doctors work directly for the state. In Canada (and many other countries with universal care), doctors run their own private practices, just like they do in the US. The only difference is that every doctor deals with one insurer, instead of 150. And that insurer is the provincial government, which is accountable to the legislature and the voters if the quality of coverage is allowed to slide.
The proper term for this is "single-payer insurance." In talking to Americans about it, the better phrase is "Medicare for all."
So. Socialized medicine the doctors deal with the state. This is different, because they deal with an insurance company. Btw that company is the state.
scared? wrote:lets see the only other western country with longer lines than america is canada and it doesn't cover everything...i'll take the french system...
9 times out of 10 I can see a doctor within a week for non-emergency issues.
1. Do you think this is excessive?
2. Do you have numbers to back up Canada's alleged longer wait times? I have no idea what they are.
3. fuck u...
EtUL wrote:So. Socialized medicine the doctors deal with the state. This is different, because they deal with an insurance company. Btw that company is the state.
I don't think so. Most likely a company is chosen by the state to fullfill services. The company should make profit.
Nightshade wrote:
9 times out of 10 I can see a doctor within a week for non-emergency issues.
1. Do you think this is excessive?
2. Do you have numbers to back up Canada's alleged longer wait times? I have no idea what they are.
3. fuck u...
EtUL wrote:I just had to stop reading after the first one cause i was laughing too much
1. Canada's health care system is "socialized medicine."
False. In socialized medical systems, the doctors work directly for the state. In Canada (and many other countries with universal care), doctors run their own private practices, just like they do in the US. The only difference is that every doctor deals with one insurer, instead of 150. And that insurer is the provincial government, which is accountable to the legislature and the voters if the quality of coverage is allowed to slide.
The proper term for this is "single-payer insurance." In talking to Americans about it, the better phrase is "Medicare for all."
So. Socialized medicine the doctors deal with the state. This is different, because they deal with an insurance company. Btw that company is the state.
um, your problem here is what? the doctor doesn't work for the state, he works for himself, but reclaims the cost of treatment etc from the state instead of from an HMO
we hear horror stories all the time about people dying with life threatening illness being put on waiting lists just for a cat scan and getting treated too late.
but it's free !!
Uk and Cuba have a good system .
free universal healthcare in the US would hurt only the rich owners of the Health Insurance Companies.
it's a scare tactic by the politicians owned by these large Companies.
Canada's healthcare system isn't perfect but its universal and the vast majority of people get treated promptly without going bankrupt in doing so. It allows the doctors to focus on the best treatment for the patient, rather than what an HMO will cover. That said, we could still learn a lot from the UK and France.
In the previous post, I looked at ten of the most common myths that get bandied about whenever Americans drag Canada into their ongoing discussions about healthcare. In this follow-up, I'd like to address a few of the larger assumptions that Americans make about health care that are contradicted by the Canadian example; and in the process offer some more general thinking (and perhaps talking) points that may be useful in the debates ahead.
As a canadian the longest I ever waited in a waiting room was 4 hours when I dislocated my knee. However my waiting time was spent doped up on pain killers.
Also, I pay $2 for any prescription.
Finally, I've never heard first hand of anyone dieing waiting for their turn for an MRI or somesuch. In fact my gf's sister had a seizure the other day and had an MRI done within 2 hours of it happening.
