Need help finding an image

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:54 am

Doing a group presentation on pain and artificial intelligence, and one of the issues that arose in the paper we're basing it on is the history of curare use in medicine.

There was a brief period where doctors thought curare was an anaesthetic and not simply a paralytic - this led to children undergoing excruciating pain and not being able to move while undergoing major surgery.

Now i haven't been able to find any illustrations of such horrors, but I could use the alien abduction theme instead.

So if anyone can find me a really cool image of aliens experimenting on a conscious but paralyzed human being, it would be much appreciated.

Something that gives a sense of the terror and helplessness and pain - maybe sharp glinting tools.

And if it's closer to the perspective of the victim that'd be cool too.

Testoclesius · Post by **Testoclesius** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:03 am

Post by **busetibi** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:40 am

lol,thats the funniest thing ive seen you post

Post by **SplishSplash** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:28 pm

Yeah, I need help finding an image as well.

Does anyone have that pic of the pirate with the huge cock?

Post by **4days** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:34 pm

SplishSplash wrote:Yeah, I need help finding an image as well.

Does anyone have that pic of the pirate with the huge cock?

http://quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ght=pirate

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:35 am

*bump*

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:41 am

http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF- ... 0abduction

edit: HOLY SHIT

Whoops, guess google images safesearch ain't quite as safe as I thought.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:00 am

Geebs wrote: edit: HOLY SHIT

I see bush on the lady, scroll down.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:01 am

Pain and Artificial intelligence. Hmm...

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:06 am

Geebs wrote:http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=alien%20abduction

edit: HOLY SHIT

yea i'd already done that but couldn't find a decent image. Thx anyway

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:07 am

Massive Quasars wrote:Pain and Artificial intelligence. Hmm...

based on an essay by daniel dennett called "why you can't make a computer that feels pain" (misleading title given the gist of his article)

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:14 am

If you don't mind me asking, what do you study?

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:25 am

Massive Quasars wrote:If you don't mind me asking, what do you study?

double major in psychology and philsophy - got a couple years left till i finish my undergrad.

the course in which i'm doin this presentation is called "Minds and Machines"

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~sousa/tea ... .MAIN.html

Here's the course summary:

As the power and reach of computers has grown over the last five decades or so, it remains a matter of dispute whether artificial intelligence research has or will succeed in the pursuit of its twin goals: endowing machines with minds, and explaining minds on the model of machines. These are more or less what John Searle has called “Strong” and “Weak” AI. We'll see why Searle and some others regard the first as hopeless and the second as useful, and examine the arguments against both views and look at some of the main questions raised by the pursuit of these twin goals. Some of these questions are: Are there a priori arguments, such as that deriving from Gödel's theorem, to show that minds could never be mechanized? What is intentionality and how, if at all, could it be mechanized? What is a Turing machine, and how is it like and unlike a human reasoner? What is representation, and how does it differ from the mere “detection” that we can attribute to lower animals or simple machines like thermostats? What are some main strategies being pursued by AI research? What can philosophy contribute to these questions, and what, conversely, can AI contribute to our philosophical understanding of the human mind?

lots of reading on symbolic, connectionist, and dynamical systems.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:35 am

Very interesting. Sorry for derailing your thread. I couldn't really find a picture of what you're looking for, if I find one I'll link it here.

Also I may have some links for you which I could send through PM later on.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:32 pm

[xeno]Julios wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:If you don't mind me asking, what do you study?
double major in psychology and philsophy - got a couple years left till i finish my undergrad.
.

welcome to a mediocre life of shame and humiliation...gg...

Post by **4days** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:47 pm

bit OT, but has anyone ever met a female psychology major that wasn't totally fucking mental?

Post by **Freakaloin** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:27 pm

no they are all crazy..i know from experience...

Post by **mik0rs** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:08 pm

4days wrote:bit OT, but has anyone ever met a female psychology major that wasn't totally fucking mental?

Going out with one. She's only crazy in the same way as other women :icon14: