yea i got that she is a lousy teacher, and continued to surf the web after the incident.
but i don't think the pornpops were left on all day, as jug indicated.
Supply teacher faces jail for showing porn to kids
The length of time they were displayed has no bearing. This is what she was convicted of "...four counts of risk of injury to a minor, or impairing the morals of a child." The moment they were displayed and the kids saw them, it was a done thing.[xeno]Julios wrote:but i don't think the pornpops were left on all day, as jug indicated.
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yea i'm not arguing against that - i'm just reacting to what jug said.Wabbit wrote:The length of time they were displayed has no bearing. This is what she was convicted of "...four counts of risk of injury to a minor, or impairing the morals of a child." The moment they were displayed and the kids saw them, it was a done thing.[xeno]Julios wrote:but i don't think the pornpops were left on all day, as jug indicated.
Re: Supply teacher faces jail for showing porn to kids
Oh man I just love the outrage and stupidity on this page.
(1) To me its a wrongfully convicted person. These things
happen in all countries probably even every day. There are
plenty of stupid defense attorneys and judges around and
they will inevitably make huge mistakes.
There is an appeals system in the USA system and I assume
it is meant to rectify the problem of wrongful convictions - the
system may yet work even with morons all around. Since I'm
dutch though I don't know the details of the USA appeals
system except from TV...
(2) Most people ( IMHO ) are not computer savvy to know that
your last resort is to pull out the VGA cable. Hitting the power
button often will not turn off your computer definitively. Many
of the computers/laptops here are setup to disregard the power off button
because the admins hate it when students shut down the computers making remote admin possibilities impossible. Even
if the power off button was working, there are also many
computers setup to reboot at which point a nasty virus could
indeed show the popups again and again and again.
I don't doubt that any one of us could have stopped the machine
but the reality is that most people won't know what to do
if their computer gets out of control.
It was a stupid conviction but it can be appealed (probably) and
even the frequently cited "40" years is bullshit in the sense that
it has not happened yet - the meeting when the sentencing will
be decided has not occurred yet.
And this doesn't even touch the IMMENSE stupidity of many
Dutch, UK, etc. existing laws. i.e. Foo: "Shit, you can get arrested for ANYTHING in the UK right now. "
(1) To me its a wrongfully convicted person. These things
happen in all countries probably even every day. There are
plenty of stupid defense attorneys and judges around and
they will inevitably make huge mistakes.
There is an appeals system in the USA system and I assume
it is meant to rectify the problem of wrongful convictions - the
system may yet work even with morons all around. Since I'm
dutch though I don't know the details of the USA appeals
system except from TV...
(2) Most people ( IMHO ) are not computer savvy to know that
your last resort is to pull out the VGA cable. Hitting the power
button often will not turn off your computer definitively. Many
of the computers/laptops here are setup to disregard the power off button
because the admins hate it when students shut down the computers making remote admin possibilities impossible. Even
if the power off button was working, there are also many
computers setup to reboot at which point a nasty virus could
indeed show the popups again and again and again.
I don't doubt that any one of us could have stopped the machine
but the reality is that most people won't know what to do
if their computer gets out of control.
It was a stupid conviction but it can be appealed (probably) and
even the frequently cited "40" years is bullshit in the sense that
it has not happened yet - the meeting when the sentencing will
be decided has not occurred yet.
And this doesn't even touch the IMMENSE stupidity of many
Dutch, UK, etc. existing laws. i.e. Foo: "Shit, you can get arrested for ANYTHING in the UK right now. "
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
yeah, but it happened on several occasions. if the teacher saw it once, she should have either turned it off and got a hold of the school's IT dept.
it's a harsh sentence no doubt, but could have been avoided if the teacher had used part of that peanut in her cranial turret.
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big deal.Wabbit wrote:She was told not to turn it off because she didn't have a password to log back in. Someone logged it in for her and then left.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:how about turning the fucking pc off until she got assistance? then she gets back on and surfs the rest of the day?
a) have kids witness porn and possibly lose your job.
b) log off and "get in trouble" for it.
i'm sorry, but i didn't say porn was ON THE SCREEN ALL DAY.[xeno]Julios wrote:yea i got that she is a lousy teacher, and continued to surf the web after the incident.
but i don't think the pornpops were left on all day, as jug indicated.
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Re: Supply teacher faces jail for showing porn to kids
the stupidity is you not seeing that i'm not condoning the conviction, but i am putting full blame on her and the school's IT dept.hax103 wrote:Oh man I just love the outrage and stupidity on this page.
(1) To me its a wrongfully convicted person. These things
happen in all countries probably even every day. There are
plenty of stupid defense attorneys and judges around and
they will inevitably make huge mistakes.
There is an appeals system in the USA system and I assume
it is meant to rectify the problem of wrongful convictions - the
system may yet work even with morons all around. Since I'm
dutch though I don't know the details of the USA appeals
system except from TV...
(2) Most people ( IMHO ) are not computer savvy to know that
your last resort is to pull out the VGA cable. Hitting the power
button often will not turn off your computer definitively. Many
of the computers/laptops here are setup to disregard the power off button
because the admins hate it when students shut down the computers making remote admin possibilities impossible. Even
if the power off button was working, there are also many
computers setup to reboot at which point a nasty virus could
indeed show the popups again and again and again.
I don't doubt that any one of us could have stopped the machine
but the reality is that most people won't know what to do
if their computer gets out of control.
It was a stupid conviction but it can be appealed (probably) and
even the frequently cited "40" years is bullshit in the sense that
it has not happened yet - the meeting when the sentencing will
be decided has not occurred yet.
And this doesn't even touch the IMMENSE stupidity of many
Dutch, UK, etc. existing laws. i.e. Foo: "Shit, you can get arrested for ANYTHING in the UK right now. "
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
yeah, but it happened on several occasions. if the teacher saw it once, she should have either turned it off and got a hold of the school's IT dept.
it's a harsh sentence no doubt, but could have been avoided if the teacher had used part of that peanut in her cranial turret.
It's hard to know what really happened -- even with PC "FORENSICS!!1" there is no way to tell who intentionally visited what sites, when it comes to pop-ups on an unsecured system.
It's the IT staff's fault as much as anyone's -- except that, if it's a public school, there probably isn't really an IT staff at all.
Substitute teachers make even less than real teachers. They normally go into class, tell the kids to do some pre-selected assignment out of the book, and then sit there and keep an eye on the kids to make sure they stay in line and are doing what they're supposed to -- and answer any questions they have.
That pretty much covers their responsibilities in a normal class period, doesn't it?
Hell, I'd be wasting time online too -- I'd probably be posting here, and watching youtube links and anything else that was interesting.
And if I was doing it on a computer that was halfway secured by some $6/hour amateur, then I would probably get pop-ups and be in the same situation she was.
Of course, I would have held the power button in until the PC turned off, but believe me, there are tons of people who have no idea you can even do that.
It's the IT staff's fault as much as anyone's -- except that, if it's a public school, there probably isn't really an IT staff at all.
Substitute teachers make even less than real teachers. They normally go into class, tell the kids to do some pre-selected assignment out of the book, and then sit there and keep an eye on the kids to make sure they stay in line and are doing what they're supposed to -- and answer any questions they have.
That pretty much covers their responsibilities in a normal class period, doesn't it?
Hell, I'd be wasting time online too -- I'd probably be posting here, and watching youtube links and anything else that was interesting.
And if I was doing it on a computer that was halfway secured by some $6/hour amateur, then I would probably get pop-ups and be in the same situation she was.
Of course, I would have held the power button in until the PC turned off, but believe me, there are tons of people who have no idea you can even do that.
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Turn it off by clicking Start->Shut Down... sure.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:that's bullshit. your avg person knows exactly how to turn their PC's off. they don't leave them on 24/7 like nerds do.R00k wrote:
Of course, I would have held the power button in until the PC turned off, but believe me, there are tons of people who have no idea you can even do that.
But if the system isn't responding, there are tons of people who don't know how to power it down.
Trust me on this. I'm painfully aware of it.
Juggernaut, the reason why people, myself included, respond a littlebit in a negative way to you is your cool reaction to the whole thing.
You first said the sentence is "harsh". That almost implies that being prosecuted and getting jail time over it is justice, but that 40 years is a bit over the top ("20 years would've been better").
You see my point?
Maybe you'll find conviction of any form through the american juridic system an extreme response to the situation as well, but it didn't really get out that way you see.
You first said the sentence is "harsh". That almost implies that being prosecuted and getting jail time over it is justice, but that 40 years is a bit over the top ("20 years would've been better").
You see my point?
Maybe you'll find conviction of any form through the american juridic system an extreme response to the situation as well, but it didn't really get out that way you see.
@Juggernaut:
I think you greatly underestimate the lack of understanding of computers some people can have. I was once in a product demo meeting for a database software package with several members of upper management for my company. The presenters had one of the execs come up to a laptop that was hooked to the projector and walked him through clik-by-click until he produced a report. They then told him to close the software package. He asked "How do you do that?" Of course several of us said click "File" then "Exit". After explaining what the menu bar was, and repeating what he needed to click, he finally was able to close the app.
When you work with computers all the time it's easy to lose sight of what it's like to know nothing about them. I've read lots of the info regarding this case. This woman panicked and had no idea how to handle the situation.
None of the school's staff made a big deal of it until one of the parents complained.
The fact that erroneous information like the prosecution's claim that the change in link color on a web page meant that the link was clicked on and wouldn't result from a popup ad was accepted as fact and that the systems expert who had prepared a demonstration of how the malware infection could produce the popups was not allowed to testify makes the trial a joke.
If anyone from the school knew how to explain how malware and popups work to the parent who complained, this case would never have gone to trial. If the attorneys and the Judge involved knew more about computers, the case would've been dismissed.
One article I read about this indicates a larger issue pointed out by this case. We have government officials with little or no knowledge of computer systems creating legislation to regulate these systems. These people will believe what they are told by "experts" who may or may not be correct. This is how you get things like the Sony DRM rootkit debacle.
I would hate to be a teacher in Connecticut right now. I would have all of the computers removed from my classroom.
I think you greatly underestimate the lack of understanding of computers some people can have. I was once in a product demo meeting for a database software package with several members of upper management for my company. The presenters had one of the execs come up to a laptop that was hooked to the projector and walked him through clik-by-click until he produced a report. They then told him to close the software package. He asked "How do you do that?" Of course several of us said click "File" then "Exit". After explaining what the menu bar was, and repeating what he needed to click, he finally was able to close the app.
When you work with computers all the time it's easy to lose sight of what it's like to know nothing about them. I've read lots of the info regarding this case. This woman panicked and had no idea how to handle the situation.
None of the school's staff made a big deal of it until one of the parents complained.
The fact that erroneous information like the prosecution's claim that the change in link color on a web page meant that the link was clicked on and wouldn't result from a popup ad was accepted as fact and that the systems expert who had prepared a demonstration of how the malware infection could produce the popups was not allowed to testify makes the trial a joke.
If anyone from the school knew how to explain how malware and popups work to the parent who complained, this case would never have gone to trial. If the attorneys and the Judge involved knew more about computers, the case would've been dismissed.
One article I read about this indicates a larger issue pointed out by this case. We have government officials with little or no knowledge of computer systems creating legislation to regulate these systems. These people will believe what they are told by "experts" who may or may not be correct. This is how you get things like the Sony DRM rootkit debacle.
I would hate to be a teacher in Connecticut right now. I would have all of the computers removed from my classroom.