So if I read this correctly (police shooting)

[YourGrandpa]

So lets say the guy hits a police officer, rams two vehicles and the other officers throw their gun in a ditch letting him drive away. Now he's driving down the road, runs through a stop light and kills a young mother and her three children. Who's to blame now?

BTW, I did read the articles and the only reason this is a race issue is because some fucking idiot wants more TV time.

[ek]

heh niggers

[Nightshade]

Race is so obviously a factor here in this forum, it's laughable.

Huh?

[JB]

lol @ discrimination against races

[Richard_guy]

This situation is getting out of control, New York police kill men in what could be argued as self defence and there are billions of articles on the story and its front page. Yet when I search for "new york police officers killed in the line of duty" there is zero articles in the recent new york times arcives since Feb 14/2006. thats not even on the first page of search results. My point being that when a police officer kills someone due to what could be argued as the defence of a fellow officer its a huge issue. Yet when a criminal goes out of his way to hurt or kill a officer they just die as part of their job right? and its somthing that just happens?

Thats fucken ludacris, police go through more on a day to day basis then most people would care to imagine.

that being said when some fuckes die (and i dont specificially mean the [LOL RACISM])because the cops didnt wait untill one of their own was dead before they acted, i dont understand why anyone is pissed off at all.

Then again if there was one more dead person being a police officer then i guess this whole thing would be "all right" and politically correct then wouldnt it?

Where exactly does the line between protecting yourself from danger and using excessive force lie?.
Is it only a differentiation that is made when people are pissed off?

[R00k]

Again, I don't know enough about what happened to pass any kind of judgments - the side painted by a witness is nearly completely opposite what the police say happened:

Wright said she was going to a diner with the men and was putting her makeup bag into the trunk of their car when the police minivan appeared.

"The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," said the 28-year-old. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."

One fact of the matter is that they had been staking out this place for quite a while -- for drugs? prostitution? who knows.

There is a lot more to this story than is in the papers, and we'll probably never know exactly what happened.

It's starting to sound more like the cops had decided to bust this guy (for whatever reason) right after he left the club. I'd say they probably thought he was involved in something they were trying to investigate - which is why 7 or so cops were on him.

It probably turned out that the guy had nothing to do with what they suspected though (no guns, money, etc. found) -- which is why they tried to explain it away as self-defense. Why else would veterans of the force, who have never gotten in a shooting incident before, try to claim such a flimsy defense as the car was trying to hit them - when they know that it's not even legally sufficient to cover their actions?

As I stated earlier though, I don't understand why police wouldn't be able to shoot at the driver of a car that was trying to run them down - it seems to me that it is self defense, just the same as if someone were pointing a gun at them. Maybe it's because it makes it too easy for police to justify their actions after the fact, and hard to verify?

I don't know.

But as more details come out, what happened in this case doesn't seem that straightforward.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

BTW, I did read the articles and the only reason this is a race issue is because some fucking idiot wants more TV time.

who's that, Rev. Herbert Daughtry?

[Nightshade]

No, he means Al Sharpton, who turns EVERYTHING into a racial issue.

[YourGrandpa]

He's knows exactly who I was talking about. There's really no need to justify his foolish antics with a reply.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

yeah my foolish antics like pointing out that many community leaders claim there's a problem with the cops. look at me I'm a crazy monkey wheee

you don't know jack shit, nocluepa

[Nightshade]

If it were someone with a shred of credibility, I think that people would be more inclined to listen. Sharpton's a grandstanding, self-aggrandizing jackass, just like Johnny Cochran was.

Yeah, there's a problem, and the police might be in the wrong in this case, but Al Sharpton can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut on a gravel driveway.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

If it were someone with a shred of credibility, I think that people would be more inclined to listen. Sharpton's a grandstanding, self-aggrandizing jackass, just like Johnny Cochran was.

Yeah, there's a problem, and the police might be in the wrong in this case, but Al Sharpton can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut on a gravel driveway.

someone like Rev. Herbert Daughtry?

[YourGrandpa]

yeah my foolish antics like pointing out that many community leaders claim there's a problem with the cops. look at me I'm a crazy monkey wheee

you don't know jack shit, nocluepa

1) You wouldn't have a clue about what I know.

2) You're obviously having trouble following the post by post conversation in this thread. Hence the foolish comment, monkey boy.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

good thing they weren't white or it wouldn't even be news...


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/17/nyreg ... nd.html?hp

A grand jury voted yesterday to indict three city police detectives — two black men and a white man — in the killing of an unarmed 23-year-old black man who died in a burst of 50 police bullets outside a Queens strip club hours before he was to be wed last year, defense lawyers and police union leaders said last night.


The jury charged two of the detectives — Gescard F. Isnora, an undercover officer who fired the first shot, and Michael Oliver, who fired 31 shots — with manslaughter, two people with direct knowledge of the case said. The third detective, Marc Cooper, who fired four shots, faces a lesser charge of reckless endangerment, those two people said.

Detectives Isnora and Cooper are black; Detective Oliver is white. They were among five police officers who fired into a gray Nissan Altima carrying the bridegroom, Sean Bell, and two friends during a chaotic confrontation in Jamaica early on the morning of Nov. 25. Neither Mr. Bell nor his friends, both of whom were wounded, were armed, although the police officers apparently believed that they were.

The grand jury reached its decision after three days of deliberations and nearly two months of hearing evidence in an emotionally charged case whose stark outlines — five officers firing 50 bullets at three unarmed men who had been out celebrating — prompted an outpouring of anger in some minority communities, and widespread comparisons to the death of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed African street peddler who was felled by 19 of 41 police officers’ bullets fired at him in 1999.

[feedback]

hey would you shoot until you ran out of ammo?

I like to shoot one shot and then reload right after, just in case I need it.

[Nightshade]

good thing they weren't white or it wouldn't even be news...

Oh horseshit. It would be even bigger news if they were all white.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

At any rate, if the people that were shot were white this wouldn't be news,

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

just to be extra clear, it was your horseshit claim i was making fun of in the first place.

[Nightshade]

What you're attempting to make fun of isn't what I originally claimed, but I guess that whole 'reading' thing is tough for you.
Let me break it down for you: There's a difference between the people doing the shooting and the people that get shot. Let's see if you can figure out which one I was talking about. Here's a clue:

At any rate, if the people that were shot were white this wouldn't be news,

You idiot.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

What you're attempting to make fun of isn't what I originally claimed, but I guess that whole 'reading' thing is tough for you.
Let me break it down for you: There's a difference between the people doing the shooting and the people that get shot. Let's see if you can figure out which one I was talking about. Here's a clue:

At any rate, if the people that were shot were white this wouldn't be news,

You idiot.

well it's you not following with that comprehension thing but i can see how you might have made the mistake you did. still the initial comment was the idiocy.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2680641&page=1

Someone tries to run over a cop after some sort of bar squabble, said someone gets gunned down, Al Sharpton throws a rally?
I may be reading this wrong, the article focuses more on the media frenzy than the actual altercation, but it sounds as though the cops may have fired too many times, but were justified in opening fire?

At any rate, if the people that were shot were white this wouldn't be news, and Al Sharpton's a dickhead.

yes this quote

[Nightshade]

No, actually it's you being too fucking dumb to know the difference between shooting someone and getting shot, even when it's pointed out to you.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

yeah okay. so do you stand by what you said in the first post of this thread?

[Nightshade]

If cops had teed off on some white guys, no, this would not be a huge news story. Yes, Al Sharpton is a dickhead.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

well good thing they weren't white then eh? they may not have even assembled a grand jury.