So if I read this correctly (police shooting)

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Nightshade wrote:I agree completely, but that's not the scenario under discussion. It's the "shoot at the car that's about to run you down until it stops moving" scenario.
which is against police guidelines in NYC.
and a witness statement this morning on cnn says the police car rammed them the first time, they only hit it after the shooting had started ("oh fuck, let's get out of here too late i'm dead").
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YourGrandpa wrote:Why can't these people attending his rallies see that he's just breeding more hate and fueling the separatist fire. They should stone this idiot every time he shows up.
Because nine times out of ten he reinforces the beliefs they already have.

I agree though...Sharpton is a twisted fuck.
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cops lie all the time so why believe their story anymore than the black dead guys?...i'm sure the cops were just waiting for a reason to kill those black guys...
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Yes...because you can't be a cop unless yer a card-carrying KKK member.
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i have a few cop friends...i can tell u from being at cop parties...they are more racist than the general public...by a factor of many. actually they are worse than the kkk since they have all the power along with all the hate...
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I also have a few cop friends (some of them on SWAT)...and I can tell u from being at cop parties....you're full of shit.
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really? where u at? cuz down here in the south its not ur way...and dude i am not over-exaggerating...its kinda like iraq...worse than u think...
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and swat is clearly different than average cops...
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Gorf wrote:really? where u at? cuz down here in the south its not ur way...and dude i am not over-exaggerating...its kinda like iraq...worse than u think...
I'm talking about Canadian cops in Winnipeg. Admittedly, there isn't the same level of crime there as in the south....or probably the same level of racism.
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Gorf wrote:and swat is clearly different than average cops...
I see anyone who joins SWAT as a little insane. These guys are usually too intense for me....even when they're "relaxing".
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Gorf wrote:i have a few cop friends...i can tell u from being at cop parties...they are more racist than the general public...by a factor of many. actually they are worse than the kkk since they have all the power along with all the hate...
hi geoff :olo:
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my brother in law was a cop in san antonio...he quit after 7 years becuz of the corruption. he said about 90% of the cops were criminals....to speak up would only mean trouble...he installs sprinkler systems now :)
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I was married to my wife by a police chief, the three guys in my wedding party are all in law enforcement and about 10 other people I grew up/went to school with are in law enforcement. So when it comes to “knowing” people in law enforcement, I think I can say that I do. I can also say that these people are no more racist (on average) than the general public. They also have an advantage over the general public in that they’ve been given training and have had it beaten into their heads not to let race be a motivating factor in their professional decisions, no matter what their personal opinions may be. Though I would say that police officers may be a little quick to judge the actions of others. But that has nothing to do with race; it’s from dealing with the scumbags of society on a daily basis.
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lol
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maybe where u live...out here they are more racist in general. thats just a fact...everyone around here knows this to be true.
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okay so 50 shots were fired by police at people with no gun. the guy hit by the car went to the hospital and had his shin treated for scratches and cuts.

so what's the q3w jury's verdict?
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2 of the cops were drinking in the bar and they didn't have to give breathalysers...
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waits for the BET post
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Newark, New Jersey is a pretty bad area. Lots of drugs, car theft and shootings.

Newark police cars are routinely rammed and smashed because the cops are not allowed to shoot at anyone. But, State Police are different. They shoot at everyone. So word went out...if you're running from regular Newark police, go ahead and ram them or whatever you want. But if it's a statey, don't, cause they'll shoot you dead.
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:okay so 50 shots were fired by police at people with no gun. the guy hit by the car went to the hospital and had his shin treated for scratches and cuts.

so what's the q3w jury's verdict?
An officer was hit by a car and other cars were rammed. If you were the officer, when do you start shooting to save your life and the lives of others?

Some people seem to think that assaulting an officer is the same thing as cursing out your neighbor.....

Idiots.
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YourGrandpa wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:okay so 50 shots were fired by police at people with no gun. the guy hit by the car went to the hospital and had his shin treated for scratches and cuts.

so what's the q3w jury's verdict?
An officer was hit by a car and other cars were rammed. If you were the officer, when do you start shooting to save your life and the lives of others?

Some people seem to think that assaulting an officer is the same thing as cursing out your neighbor.....

Idiots.
holy fuck you are stupid...

Some policies appear to have been violated in the shooting, which occurred when undercover officers fired 50 bullets at Mr. Bell’s car after he drove into one of the officers and an unmarked police van.

Officers are trained to shoot no more than three bullets before pausing to reassess the situation, Mr. Kelly said in his most detailed assessment of the shooting yet. Department policy also largely prohibits officers from firing at vehicles, even when they are being used as weapons.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/27/nyreg ... r=homepage



sure you don't want to blame BET?
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:okay so 50 shots were fired by police at people with no gun. the guy hit by the car went to the hospital and had his shin treated for scratches and cuts.

so what's the q3w jury's verdict?
Seems a bit of an oversimplification, don't you think? I think it could go either way, with neither side being unreasonable.
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The officers' hit the vehicle 21 times while also shattering windows at a train station and nearby homes.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories


some good details in that article.
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:okay so 50 shots were fired by police at people with no gun. the guy hit by the car went to the hospital and had his shin treated for scratches and cuts.

so what's the q3w jury's verdict?
An officer was hit by a car and other cars were rammed. If you were the officer, when do you start shooting to save your life and the lives of others?

Some people seem to think that assaulting an officer is the same thing as cursing out your neighbor.....

Idiots.
holy fuck you are stupid...

Some policies appear to have been violated in the shooting, which occurred when undercover officers fired 50 bullets at Mr. Bell’s car after he drove into one of the officers and an unmarked police van.

Officers are trained to shoot no more than three bullets before pausing to reassess the situation, Mr. Kelly said in his most detailed assessment of the shooting yet. Department policy also largely prohibits officers from firing at vehicles, even when they are being used as weapons.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/27/nyreg ... r=homepage



sure you don't want to blame BET?
I'm not stupid, nor am I simpathetic to some moron who rams police or pedestrian vehicles. It seems like a wrong place wrong time for everyone envolved. The driver picked the wrong place to go phsyco in his car and paid the ultimate price.

Now explain to me why this is a race issue? Why does Al, the constant fuck up Sharpton feel he has anything reasonable to add? He's just stirring up racial problems and is obviously out for himself. He couldn't give two shits about anyone affected by this tragedy. All he cares about is getting his name in the paper and justifying his retarded existance.
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YourGrandpa wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote: An officer was hit by a car and other cars were rammed. If you were the officer, when do you start shooting to save your life and the lives of others?

Some people seem to think that assaulting an officer is the same thing as cursing out your neighbor.....

Idiots.
holy fuck you are stupid...

Some policies appear to have been violated in the shooting, which occurred when undercover officers fired 50 bullets at Mr. Bell’s car after he drove into one of the officers and an unmarked police van.

Officers are trained to shoot no more than three bullets before pausing to reassess the situation, Mr. Kelly said in his most detailed assessment of the shooting yet. Department policy also largely prohibits officers from firing at vehicles, even when they are being used as weapons.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/27/nyreg ... r=homepage



sure you don't want to blame BET?
I'm not stupid, nor am I simpathetic to some moron who rams police or pedestrian vehicles. It seems like a wrong place wrong time for everyone envolved. The driver picked the wrong place to go phsyco in his car and paid the ultimate price.

Now explain to me why this is a race issue? Why does Al, the constant fuck up Sharpton feel he has anything reasonable to add? He's just stirring up racial problems and is obviously out for himself. He couldn't give two shits about anyone affected by this tragedy. All he cares about is getting his name in the paper and justifying his retarded existance.

oh you're a simp pathetic alright. but you aren't sympathetic, I can see that. So aside from the danger of shooting at a vehicle on public streets near homes etc, explain to me how shooting is justified when there are three or more people in this van and only one person is driving? i guess deadly force is just an everyday thing for you?

Race is so obviously a factor here in this forum, it's laughable. As for race as a factor in the shooting I'll refer you back to the NY times article which you probably didn't read...




“We prefer talking than not talking, but the object is not a conversation, the object is fairness and justice,” Mr. Sharpton said as he left City Hall. “Because we’re not just interested in being treated politely, we’re interested in being treated fairly and rightly. And that will happen when police are held as accountable as anyone else.”...


Many, however, expressed concerns that the administration was failing to deal with what they described as continuing tensions between black residents and police officers even when the officers are nonwhite. ...


“There were some heated exchanges,” said the Rev. Herbert Daughtry, an influential Pentecostal minister in Brooklyn. “We all agree that there is a pattern of police abuse of power, and this abuse of power ranges from police killing to police brutal behavior to disrespect. We reiterated that over and over again.”

Reverend Daughtry warned the mayor not to confuse patience with complacency. “There is a temperature in our communities that is rising, and the tension is intensifying,” he said. “While we don’t want to try to ignite anything, we’d be blind to overlook what’s happening and not to sound the alarm.” ...

Saying that there was a “grave crisis” of confidence in his southeast Queens community, Bishop Lester Williams, the minister who was to have performed Mr. Bell’s wedding, asserted that there had been no improvement in police-community relations since the height of tensions during the Giuliani administration.

“It’s little Iraq, I’m sorry, especially toward the blacks in the community,” he said before attending the meeting. “We don’t feel protected.” ...
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