a message about the Democratic party

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

what a bunch of fucking pussies

[plained]

pussy party?

sounds alright

[R00k]

Something specific spark this topic? Or just a general rant about the Democunts?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

they need a strong cohesive voice. and that voice has to have positions and plans

almost no spine

[seremtan]

1. we're not the GOP
2. we'll raise taxes
3. we'll surrender tuh thuh turrurists

that's three awesome policies right there :icon14:

[Nightshade]

"The Republicans are the party of really bad ideas, and the Democrats are the party of no ideas." -- Lewis Black

[R00k]

I think they have a great platform:

"We'll do whatever the Republicans are doing right now -- only we promise we can do it better! They suck at it, see!"

[seremtan]

sound exactly like the british conservatives

p.s. you're shitting me - FF2 spellcheck has problems with 'british'. ffs...

[Foo]

Because it's 'British' with a capital.

[seremtan]

ffs...

[GONNAFISTYA]

I think the problem with the Dems is that they know what to do...they're just afraid to do it because then they'll come off as "radical" and "expensive" and "not strong on turrur".

They need to investigate and publically humilate the White House with congressional hearings. This will take time and resources....not to mention a shitload of money to fight the GOP noise machine once aforementioned hearings take place. (radical/expensive)

They need to heal America's shitty image because it's affecting more than just the value of the dollar (expensive/not stong on turrur)

They need to rethink their foreign strategy cause it's making them enemies they never had before (radical/expensive/not strong on turrur)

They need to pay for checking all those containers for nookuyer weapons. (expensive)

They need to pull out of Iraq (radical/not strong on turrur)

They need to clean up the corporate/government corruption (radical/expensive/not strong on turrur)

Fuck....the list is endless...they've got a huge pile of shit to climb and I think they don't want to start off from behind the 8-ball in terms of "righteousness"....so instead they stuff their collective asses up their heads and hope for another Bill Clinton to come along.

[Big Kahuna Burger]

i think they need to lose the elitest attitude

[mjrpes]

I think the problem with the Dems is that they know what to do...they're just afraid to do it because then they'll come off as "radical" and "expensive" and "not strong on turrur".

The last thing they want to do is run the risk of coming off as "radical" and "expensive" and "not strong on turrur" to all the independents/moderates/swingers they need in order to win majorities in the house and senate.

[Dave]

they need a strong cohesive voice. and that voice has to have positions and plans

almost no spine

Then it would be a third party

[FragaGeddon]

Did someone mention pussy?

[GONNAFISTYA]

i think they need to lose the elitest attitude

What does this mean, exactly?

[GONNAFISTYA]

I think the problem with the Dems is that they know what to do...they're just afraid to do it because then they'll come off as "radical" and "expensive" and "not strong on turrur".

The last thing they want to do is run the risk of coming off as "radical" and "expensive" and "not strong on turrur" to all the independents/moderates/swingers they need in order to win majorities in the house and senate.

Yeah...but the biggest problem with this strategy is exactly what's been happening:

They come across as aloof hippies with no plan and alot of hot air.

This approach could also turn potential voters off, and some of these are the informed voters - independents/moderates/swingers - who have put some time considering all that's happened, but not seeing any substantial reasons to vote Democrat. Because they don't see any inspiration from those who ask for their vote, they'd prefer to stay home.

[R00k]

Yep, I've talked to a lot of people here who actually really want to vote Democrat, just to restore some balance to the government because of all the shit that's been happening. They really really want to......... but they can't find any convincing reason why they should, or why it would even help.

I explain to them that investigations and things like this:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_103006G.shtml

have been blocked simply because the Republicons have had a stranglehold on government processes, and with Democrats having some power in Congress, these things could at least be brought into the open.

Things like that really grab people's attention and sways them into realizing there are good reasons to vote Democrat...


So you just can't help but ask yourself -- why in hell aren't the Democrats focusing on these things? Right now, I don't think there is anything more universal than the people's desire to change the way things have been operating lately. What is so hard about serving that need?

Or even fucking mentioning it at all? :icon27:

[GONNAFISTYA]

This might sound crazy but the last time I checked the people were responsible for democracy.

Perhaps if there were more people visibly, loudly saying what kind of people they want in office - rather than having the talking points dictated by politicians and think tanks - and have more rallys or demonstrations stating their goals/wishes/needs from those they elect.

I think if more Americans actually stood up to be heard then the Dems would have a more "politically founded" stance on which to stand up and actually state their goals with less political fallout at the polling booth than the GOP can ficitionally attack....then they'd be less tentative to admit what they actually stand for. They say that 70% of Americans want a change of plan in Iraq...where are these people? The religious nuts can stand up and be heard for what they believe in...so why not the 70% who disagree with their own government?

It's pathetic that so many Dems have publically said that impeachment proceedings will begin "right away"...then they withdraw from that stance because "it'll take effort and slow down the War On Terror".

FFS....the Americans who want "radical, expensive, not strong on turrur" policy need to hear it from those who timidly say they can provide it. But it ain't gonna happen if they think they'll get lynched for trying.

[hax103]

i think they need to lose the elitest attitude

What does this mean, exactly?

I had thought that the elitest attitude was the only reason Al Gore lost to George Bush. Gore should have completely stomped on Bush considering Gore was the pretty well known VP to succeed Clinton (whose main fault was that he liked ugly chicks), but Gore's elitest attitude came out on the debates and the merkans went with mr low-brow.

Liberals in Holland also tend to be irritating elitests too - holier than thou shit.

[GONNAFISTYA]

i think they need to lose the elitest attitude

What does this mean, exactly?

I had thought that the elitest attitude was the only reason Al Gore lost to George Bush. Gore should have completely stomped on Bush considering he was the well known VP to succeed Clinton, but Gore's elitest attitude came out on the debates and the merkans went with mr low-brow.

liberals in holland also tend to be irritating elitests too - holier than thou shit.

This still makes no sense to me. In terms of current Democrats that want change...why is it an elitist attitude to point out the failings of stupid people?

I never watched the Gore/Bush debates so I don't know what context you are talking about. What happened? Did Gore wipe his ass with Bush's shirt during the debate?

And are you saying that Al Gore is the reason people still don't like Democrats?

[R00k]

They are after one thing - enough votes to get elected.

The only way they are going to change their approach or position, is if it is clear that such a change will be sure to get them elected.

Which means that merely a lot of people speaking out will do nothing -- it has to be a plurality of the people before the idiots will even consider taking a chance on it.

But even then, they are terrified that they will lose the Israeli vote/lobby, their corporate donors and other lobbyists.

So to a dirty career politician who has no life outside vote-getting contests and power- and prestige-hoarding...... going out on such a ledge and risking losing an election is a scary prospect. Especially compared to the idea of trying to be a wallflower during the whole process, hoping no one notices them, and letting the Republicans slowly kill themselves.

Of course, many of these things in themselves are just indictments against the problems in our system. But it's the playing field to them.

And ultimately, it may be a winning strategy to let the Republicons shoot themselves in the foot until they get voted out. Not winning for the people, but winning for the Democrats.

What I'm afraid of though, is that with so much apathy right now, the Repubs could probably steal another election, and nobody would think anything was amiss. Hey, if nobody seems to really care, then they probably just didn't vote, right?

[Fender]

People that vote republican this time around are simply morons.
People that vote democratic and expect things to change are naive.

9/11 would have still happened (most likely)
Assuming Bush lost last election (which he did, IMO) , Iraq would still be a fucking mess.
The gov't still would have fucked up the response to Katrina.
I can guarantee there are pedo-homo democrats out there, but they probably aren't hypocrites about it.

Above a certain level of gov't, everyone is corrupt, regardless of party. Our two-party system is broken. Corporations have too much influence.

I'll be voting (mostly, I haven't made all my decisions, yet) democratic simply to bring about some balance, not because I think democrats are any more competent or not corrupt.

[GONNAFISTYA]

BAM!

[Canidae]

Ill be voting for the Democrats, oh wait...