As of tomorrow you can't smoke in bars&rest.+.08%alcool.

Post by **Grudge** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:16 am

The main argument for the law to include bars and restaurants here was to protect employees from sustained levels of dangerous second-hand smoke.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:36 am

Grudge wrote:The main argument for the law to include bars and restaurants here was to protect employees from sustained levels of dangerous second-hand smoke.

I had considering that argument, and it's the strongest of the lot IMO, and yet I don't think it's justification enough for this law. Employees aren't entitled to such jobs, they apply for them, and though credentials and experience may restrict their job oppurtunities they aren't exactly forced into these* professions in most cases. Some may accept the long-term risks involved implicitly, I'm only troubled by the circumstances of those oblivious to the risks.

* by these I mean jobs in bars exclusively, restaurant employees aren't subject to this problem to the same extent and scope

edit: I'll leave it at that for now.

Post by **MidnightQ4** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:49 am

Pooinyourmouth wrote:It's been like that for years here in california.

Can't believe it took that long really. All you smokers don't realize how much we hate you. If you want to smoke that's fine, but you shouldn't be allowed to do it where it annoys other people. Frankly I don't get why smokers think they are entitled to light up wherever they want. You wouldn't want me to bring my car into a bar and fill it up with exhaust would you? Same difference.

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:50 am

People are so horribly afraid to die they've developed a strong fear for life as well. Let's completely forget how to enjoy ourselves and put warning labels on everything. Let's take offense to politically incorrect things, and let's act like a herd of mindless herbivores.

Post by **MKJ** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:53 am

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:i think it's great.

time for you to quit pete. you are enslaved to a deadly master. do it for yourself and do it for society and do it for your petit lapin

gg

Post by **MidnightQ4** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:54 am

It's not a matter of not wanting to enjoy life, it's a matter of wanting to enjoy it by not having ppl blowing smoke in your face.

Post by **MKJ** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:56 am

Ryoki wrote:People are so horribly afraid to die they've developed a strong fear for life as well. Let's completely forget how to enjoy ourselves and put warning labels on everything. Let's take offense to politically incorrect things, and let's act like a herd of mindless herbivores.

oh if you really thought that you wouldnt have tried to quit like, what, 7 times now?
you hypocrite

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:59 am

Oh, busted

Post by **o'dium** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:37 am

Is this in the UK yet? I cant stand people who smoke while im trying to enjoy myself, get the fuck out i say... When your in a pub its bad enough, but when people sit you down to eat a meal right next to another person who is smoking in the no smoking section, its damn right annoying too... People love to break the rules it seems. Bring on this new "no smoking in public places at all" rule...

Post by **MidnightQ4** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:38 am

ya what he said.

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:33 am

I'm a semi-official non smoker at the moment, but back in the day when i still lit up my Luckies regulary i'd get horribly annoyed by people who wanted to enjoy themselves while i was smoking. Jesus! What rotten bastards.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:41 am

bitWISE wrote:Why not ban drinking since drunk driver's kill so many people?

that wouldn't bother me one bit.

Post by **MKJ** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:50 am

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
bitWISE wrote:Why not ban drinking since drunk driver's kill so many people?
that wouldn't bother me one bit.

at bitwise's comment.
your denial is getting worse.. werent you also blaming your gf for your smoking habits?

jesus

Post by **KingManULTRA** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:42 pm

-Replicant- wrote:thats the way it is here in NY. its bloody great for non-smokers, IMO

You're from NY, and you use the word "bloody" like some British guy? The hell?

Post by **vesp** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:42 pm

Started here a few months ago, and so far it's awesome - apart fromt he fact that the smokers are now all smoking on the pavement outside pubs and bars, exhaling smoke over the passers-by.

disgusting.

One worrying trend is the installation of these outdoor heaters to pander to the smokers. The wasted energy from those things makes me sick...

Post by **Jackal** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:54 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:
Grudge wrote:The main argument for the law to include bars and restaurants here was to protect employees from sustained levels of dangerous second-hand smoke.
I had considering that argument, and it's the strongest of the lot IMO, and yet I don't think it's justification enough for this law. Employees aren't entitled to such jobs, they apply for them, and though credentials and experience may restrict their job oppurtunities they aren't exactly forced into these* professions in most cases. Some may accept the long-term risks involved implicitly, I'm only troubled by the circumstances of those oblivious to the risks.

* by these I mean jobs in bars exclusively, restaurant employees aren't subject to this problem to the same extent and scope

edit: I'll leave it at that for now.

I know many people who are "forced" to work in bars. It's pretty much the sole alternative to a person with no post-secondary education that needs a decent income.