Should gay men be able to legally adopt children?

[werldhed]

That worried about bullying?

Homeschool :icon10:

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

guess who's going to flunk out of law school?

[LawL]

I knew it was just a matter of time before fLaw started spewing his intolerance more directly. He's been dropping little turds ever since he's arrived.

No wonder you don't like the idea of a Bill of Rights. :icon27:

If this is all a little too complex for you then I guess you should just stick to shallow topics in which you can actually comprehend the point which is being made.

says the guy who wants to stop gay men from adopting based on the argument that their kids will be picked on in school...

the same argument was used to oppose inter-racial marriage. Perhaps fat people shouldn't be allowed to have chidren. They might be ridiculed.

:icon26:

My point, which I've repeated many times in this thread, is the psychological damage I perceive would be inflicted upon the child. Looks like your only argument against this is comparing it to someone elses argument of inter-racial marriage. But this attempt of playing the race card is not applicable to me as it's as far removed from what I believe, as can possibly be.

The ridicule of having fat parents as opposed to gay parents is incomparable.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

If this is all a little too complex for you then I guess you should just stick to shallow topics in which you can actually comprehend the point which is being made.

says the guy who wants to stop gay men from adopting based on the argument that their kids will be picked on in school...

the same argument was used to oppose inter-racial marriage. Perhaps fat people shouldn't be allowed to have chidren. They might be ridiculed.

:icon26:

My point, which I've repeated many times in this thread, is the psychological damage I perceive would be inflicted upon the child. Looks like your only argument against this is comparing it to someone elses argument of inter-racial marriage. But this attempt of playing the race card is not applicable to me as it's as far removed from what I believe, as can possibly be.

The ridicule of having fat parents as opposed to gay parents is incomparable.

yes this really quite a sophisticated argument you're putting forward here.

[Foo]

The ridicule of having fat parents as opposed to gay parents is incomparable.

I don't see your basis for this.

We're talking about kids here, after all. Anything out of the ordinary is a subject for capitalisation. There's no deep philosophical reasoning behind the bully's persecution of a child.

[LawL]

says the guy who wants to stop gay men from adopting based on the argument that their kids will be picked on in school...

the same argument was used to oppose inter-racial marriage. Perhaps fat people shouldn't be allowed to have chidren. They might be ridiculed.

:icon26:

My point, which I've repeated many times in this thread, is the psychological damage I perceive would be inflicted upon the child. Looks like your only argument against this is comparing it to someone elses argument of inter-racial marriage. But this attempt of playing the race card is not applicable to me as it's as far removed from what I believe, as can possibly be.

The ridicule of having fat parents as opposed to gay parents is incomparable.

yes this really quite a sophisticated argument you're putting forward here.

It obviously is to you.

[LawL]

The ridicule of having fat parents as opposed to gay parents is incomparable.

I don't see your basis for this.

We're talking about kids here, after all. Anything out of the ordinary is a subject for capitalisation. There's no deep philosophical reasoning behind the bully's persecution of a child.

It's my belief that children are going to be far less accepting of gay males than fat heterosexual couples.

[werldhed]

My point, which I've repeated many times in this thread, is the psychological damage I perceive would be inflicted upon the child. Looks like your only argument against this is comparing it to someone elses argument of inter-racial marriage. But this attempt of playing the race card is not applicable to me as it's as far removed from what I believe, as can possibly be.

The ridicule of having fat parents as opposed to gay parents is incomparable.

Why is it a poor analogy? Fat people generally aren't well accepted. Neither are hideously ugly people. Or crazy folks. Hell, a friend of mine has a bipolar mother. We all like to have a giggle about it, but he certainly isn't now a sociopath.

[LawL]

It's my belief that children are going to be far less accepting of gay males than fat heterosexual couples.

[werldhed]

Your belief is groundless, then.

Btw, how old are you? Do you know what the general view of children is toward gays? I'd be willing to bet they'd be much more willing to take such a scenario in stride than adults would.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

i think we have a duke calibre idiot on our hands here

[LawL]

Your belief is groundless, then.

Btw, how old are you? Do you know what the general view of children is toward gays? I'd be willing to bet they'd be much more willing to take such a scenario in stride than adults would.

I'm 28. Perhaps you are correct. Hard to definately say though unless either of us are school children.

One example I can provide you with is my girlfriends brother who himself has just realised he is gay, and even without coming out to anyone at school, his inherant campness of personality has lead to him being bullied and vilified at school to a very large scale. If we lived in an ideal world like so many in this thread would appear to believe then this wouldn't be happening.

[LawL]

i think we have a duke calibre idiot on our hands here

I'd assume most were already aware of your calibre of idiot.

[plained]

im not sure about closet type homos tho.


they seem angrey ey

but i guess if theyre not angry with the kid whos to say what

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

i think we have a duke calibre idiot on our hands here

I'd assume most were already aware of your calibre of idiot.

they know all about me.

now we're working on exposing the workings of the critical mind known as 'Law'

[LawL]

How are you doing that? By being the only person in the entire thread not being capable of putting forward a mature argument?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

How are you doing that? By being the only person in the entire thread not being capable of putting forward a mature argument?

Actually I made an argument and people agreed with my reasoning. I didn't notice the same thing happen for you. Did it?

[LawL]

The ability to accept and understand homosexual male couples as normal people with an alternate sexual preference is something that only a mature mind is capable of. And by mature I mean mature in age.

As foo points out, the distaste of homosexuality is primarily a function of culture, rather than maturity. It takes maturity to overcome cultural prejudice, sure, but cultural factors are primary here.

I believe a child adopted by a homosexual male couple will inevitably suffer at such a grand scale that their psychology would be damaged to a point of no return, and for this reason alone homosexual male couples should not be allowed to adopt.

This policy you advocate would simply entrench the problem further. By forbidding such adoption, culture becomes less accepting of alternate sexuality, which makes the stigmas even worse. Your policy holds water if we decide to succumb to cultural prejudice, but that kinda defeats the project of our evolution as moral and rational creatures.

Perhaps it is true that with time such a practise would become more accepted, but I just can't ever see it being accepted to the point that a large scale of vilification would not be received on the child's behalf. Homosexuality is supposedly accepted in most countries today. But even in those countries, imagine the scenario of two men walking into a pub which isn't a designated gay pub and start kissing one another. What do you think would happen? They would get assaulted. This is the actual reality.

Your opinion here is based on your own experiences and insights into a culture during your short stay here on this planet. I think it premature to generalize to all societies and times that we will never overcome our prejudices.

I don't believe it's an initial shock, too many people simply cannot understand or accept homosexuality as it goes against their instinct of heterosexuality, and children are the last people to be capable of this.

I'm not so sure that children's heterosexual instincts would cause them to ostracize gays. I think children's prejudice towards homosexuals is largely a function of them modeling adults' prejudice, or modeling institutionalized discrimination.

Sorry I missed this post when skimming through earlier. I would probably only be repeating myself by answering it directly now though.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

How are you doing that?

I'll be using the Socratic method from here on in.

[LawL]

How are you doing that? By being the only person in the entire thread not being capable of putting forward a mature argument?

Actually I made an argument and people agreed with my reasoning. I didn't notice the same thing happen for you. Did it?

You've just trolled and shown yourself up to be an idiot. If you're happy with that so be it.

I'm not looking to win or even have an argument, I'm providing my opinion for a discussion and am interested in other opinions, whether they agree with me or not.

[werldhed]

Your belief is groundless, then.

Btw, how old are you? Do you know what the general view of children is toward gays? I'd be willing to bet they'd be much more willing to take such a scenario in stride than adults would.

I'm 28. Perhaps you are correct. Hard to definately say though unless either of us are school children.

One example I can provide you with is my girlfriends brother who himself has just realised he is gay, and even without coming out to anyone at school, his inherant campness of personality has lead to him being bullied and vilified at school to a very large scale. If we lived in an ideal world like so many in this thread would appear to believe then this wouldn't be happening.

Oh, I don't deny that it will happen, but I don't think it's quite as apocalyptic as you believe. First of all, there is a difference between being a flaming homosexual, and having homosexual parents. How many of your own classmates did you bully for having gay parents? How many did you bully because they themselves were gay?
Second, there are ways for parents to limit bullying. For instance (in the US, at least), homosexual rights will be largely warranted by states, which means a state that allows gay adoption will be likely to be more receptive to gays. Yes, there are limits to what a parent can do to control where their child goes to school, but that's hardly a reason to prevent any and all adoptions.
What happens if a child gets adopted by Muslim parents? Their status in society is going downhill, are we to prevent them from adopting, too?

[LawL]

Your belief is groundless, then.

Btw, how old are you? Do you know what the general view of children is toward gays? I'd be willing to bet they'd be much more willing to take such a scenario in stride than adults would.

I'm 28. Perhaps you are correct. Hard to definately say though unless either of us are school children.

One example I can provide you with is my girlfriends brother who himself has just realised he is gay, and even without coming out to anyone at school, his inherant campness of personality has lead to him being bullied and vilified at school to a very large scale. If we lived in an ideal world like so many in this thread would appear to believe then this wouldn't be happening.

Oh, I don't deny that it will happen, but I don't think it's quite as apocalyptic as you believe. First of all, there is a difference between being a flaming homosexual, and having homosexual parents. How many of your own classmates did you bully for having gay parents? How many did you bully because they themselves were gay?
Second, there are ways for parents to limit bullying. For instance (in the US, at least), homosexual rights will be largely warranted by states, which means a state that allows gay adoption will be likely to be more receptive to gays. Yes, there are limits to what a parent can do to control where their child goes to school, but that's hardly a reason to prevent any and all adoptions.
What happens if a child gets adopted by Muslim parents? Their status in society is going downhill, are we to prevent them from adopting, too?

It does all seem to go back to how bad one believes the vilification will be. I can't recall having any gay classmates (which I knew of) or those who had gay parents. If institutions were sufficiently capable of putting a stop to such vilification then the problem would be solved. I honestly can't see this as being a reality though. No I don't think Muslims should be stopped from adopting children, I feel that'a an entirely different scenario.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

How are you doing that? By being the only person in the entire thread not being capable of putting forward a mature argument?

Actually I made an argument and people agreed with my reasoning. I didn't notice the same thing happen for you. Did it?

You've just trolled and shown yourself up to be an idiot. If you're happy with that so be it.

I'm not looking to win or even have an argument, I'm providing my opinion for a discussion and am interested in other opinions, whether they agree with me or not.

or maybe you're just retarded and don't even know it

[LawL]

Another thought provoking comment.

[Transient]

Looks like your only argument against this is comparing it to someone elses argument of inter-racial marriage. But this attempt of playing the race card is not applicable to me as it's as far removed from what I believe, as can possibly be.

It may not be applicable to YOU, but it is certainly applicable to your argument. Very much so.

One example I can provide you with is my girlfriends brother who himself has just realised he is gay, and even without coming out to anyone at school, his inherant campness of personality has lead to him being bullied and vilified at school to a very large scale. If we lived in an ideal world like so many in this thread would appear to believe then this wouldn't be happening.

Being gay and having gay parents are wholly different things. To assume that they would both elicit equal teasing in school is simply ignorant.

I'm trying VERY hard here not to flame you. You've got to understand, you sound really narrow-minded...