Hey Health3World

Post by **l0g1c** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:55 pm

I'm looking for some resources explaining metabolism in detail. Preferably a book, but if you've got a good website, that's great too. I want to have a good base of knowledge so I can set my own diet & workout routines. I've already looked for books like this, but most of what I found were gimmicky motivational shit. What I'm looking for is more on the side of being a textbook.

Anyways, any ideas?

Post by **Foo** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:58 pm

Actual science text.

Post by **DiscoDave** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:11 pm

I know this isn't what you're asking for, but have you considered seeing a doctor/nutritionist to sort out your diet, and then a trainer at the gym for your workout? To be honest I think thats a better approach.

Other than that you could sign up to some forums. I used to go on the forums on http://www.johnstonefitness.com/. The people there are quite helpful with workout plans and such.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:18 pm

pm me if you want the pdf for this book

http://www.fastmusclegain.com/

Post by **Sanction** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:48 pm

ToxicBug wrote:pm me if you want the pdf for this book

http://www.fastmusclegain.com/

Have you been following the information in the book? I only ask because I've seen the pics you've posted and deleted, and you're still anorexic looking.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:55 pm

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com is an excellent resource. Check out the forums there also.

similar stuff here:

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/

edit: fixed link

Post by **l0g1c** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:08 am

I was afraid I might have to demonstrate my ignorance in order to illustrate what information I'm lacking.

I'm looking for really basic information to begin with. How does my body treat the double cheeseburger I just ate? The bread gets broken down into sugars, the meat into proteins? What happens if I only burn 2000 calories and consume 2500? What happens if I consume 1500 calories and burn 3000? Does the body burn fat right there on the spot or is it converted after the fact? Why are fatty & sugary foods bad for you? etc etc ad nauseum.

Edit: Ah, thanks Julios. I'll take a look at that site when it comes back up.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:08 am

Sanction wrote:
ToxicBug wrote:pm me if you want the pdf for this book

http://www.fastmusclegain.com/
Have you been following the information in the book? I only ask because I've seen the pics you've posted and deleted, and you're still anorexic looking.

No, I've just found out about it a couple days ago.

Post by **tnf** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:24 am

You should get a biochemistry textbook first.
Study carbohydrate, lipid, protein, steroid, and cholesterol metabolism...
For example, plant sterols aren't as easily absorbed as animal sterols and also inhibit the absorption of them - so eating some specific plant sterols can help reduce dietary cholesterol.

That's stuff you can learn in biochem books.

Post by **tnf** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:28 am

l0g1c wrote:I was afraid I might have to demonstrate my ignorance in order to illustrate what information I'm lacking.

I'm looking for really basic information to begin with. How does my body treat the double cheeseburger I just ate? The bread gets broken down into sugars, the meat into proteins? What happens if I only burn 2000 calories and consume 2500? What happens if I consume 1500 calories and burn 3000? Does the body burn fat right there on the spot or is it converted after the fact? Why are fatty & sugary foods bad for you? etc etc ad nauseum.

Edit: Ah, thanks Julios. I'll take a look at that site when it comes back up.

There is no spot reduction of bodyfat.
And you are asking for a basic explanation of the entire metabolic process - which is complicated and which you aren't really going to get here unless me or someone else who knows it explains it all (jules has probably studied it a lot and I would guess saturn and geebs have pretty good working knowledges of such things).
There is someone you shouldn't pay attention to.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:32 am

l0g1c wrote:
Edit: Ah, thanks Julios. I'll take a look at that site when it comes back up.

it's up - i just copied down the wrong addy - fixed now

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com

Post by **Foo** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:40 am

l0g1c wrote:I'm looking for really basic information to begin with. How does my body treat the double cheeseburger I just ate? The bread gets broken down into sugars, the meat into proteins? What happens if I only burn 2000 calories and consume 2500? What happens if I consume 1500 calories and burn 3000? Does the body burn fat right there on the spot or is it converted after the fact? Why are fatty & sugary foods bad for you? etc etc ad nauseum.

In the interests of also plumbing my really shit understanding of this subject, here's how I currently think it works. This probably isn't accurate, I want people to correct any mistakes:

The bread is mainly carbohydrate (like pasta, potato... any of your regional 'base' foodstuffs). This gets broken down into whatever your body needs for energy (sugars of some kind I guess, just 'sugar' as in the stuff we add to coffee, I guess...)

The meat will contain some protein, broken down by I guess the kidneys, I have no idea, but bladder stones come from there and excess protein causes bladder stones so thats my first guess *shrug*. However the meat will also contain some fat and I dunno about carbohydrate, probably some for of it if it's not pure meat.

If you take in excess calories in a day your body might use some of those calories to turn into body fat, however I think there's a threshold for how many calories the body processes over time, and if there's more then you just shit it out.

Hence as I understand it, if we disregard the sugar on your teeth, blood sugar levels, and all the other issues bad/excess food can cause, there's a certain point of stuffing yourself per day beyond which you're not going to be gaining more and more fat that day, it's just gonna come out in your crap the next day. gaining fat is more of a long term issue of eating more calories than your burning.

However to make it a bit less simple than 'eat less calories than you burn every day for a while' your body can potentially go into a 'starvation' mode if you eat WELL below what you need to eat. In this state some funky shit happens with your body and it starts storing fat cause it thinks you'll need it.

I think that sums up my AMAZING knowledge of dieting.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:41 am

here's another great resource (lyle mcdonald)

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/articles.html

Post by **l0g1c** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:45 am

tnf wrote:
l0g1c wrote:I was afraid I might have to demonstrate my ignorance in order to illustrate what information I'm lacking.

I'm looking for really basic information to begin with. How does my body treat the double cheeseburger I just ate? The bread gets broken down into sugars, the meat into proteins? What happens if I only burn 2000 calories and consume 2500? What happens if I consume 1500 calories and burn 3000? Does the body burn fat right there on the spot or is it converted after the fact? Why are fatty & sugary foods bad for you? etc etc ad nauseum.

Edit: Ah, thanks Julios. I'll take a look at that site when it comes back up.
There is no spot reduction of bodyfat.
And you are asking for a basic explanation of the entire metabolic process - which is complicated and which you aren't really going to get here unless me or someone else who knows it explains it all (jules has probably studied it a lot and I would guess saturn and geebs have pretty good working knowledges of such things).
There is someone you shouldn't pay attention to.

You got it, sir. I guess I'll pick up a textbook. I was hoping for something more comprehensive, but I guess it's going to be too much information to be packed into a regular book.

Post by **feedback** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:10 am

Learn about exercise physiology, how the body stores and uses nutrients, and how it produces and uses energy.

My physiology text Exercise physiology: Energy, nutrition, and human performance by Mcardle, Katch, and Katch is pretty good.

Post by **feedback** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:13 am

Foo wrote:
l0g1c wrote:I'm looking for really basic information to begin with. How does my body treat the double cheeseburger I just ate? The bread gets broken down into sugars, the meat into proteins? What happens if I only burn 2000 calories and consume 2500? What happens if I consume 1500 calories and burn 3000? Does the body burn fat right there on the spot or is it converted after the fact? Why are fatty & sugary foods bad for you? etc etc ad nauseum.
In the interests of also plumbing my really shit understanding of this subject, here's how I currently think it works. This probably isn't accurate, I want people to correct any mistakes:

The bread is mainly carbohydrate (like pasta, potato... any of your regional 'base' foodstuffs). This gets broken down into whatever your body needs for energy (sugars of some kind I guess, just 'sugar' as in the stuff we add to coffee, I guess...)

The meat will contain some protein, broken down by I guess the kidneys, I have no idea, but bladder stones come from there and excess protein causes bladder stones so thats my first guess *shrug*. However the meat will also contain some fat and I dunno about carbohydrate, probably some for of it if it's not pure meat.

If you take in excess calories in a day your body might use some of those calories to turn into body fat, however I think there's a threshold for how many calories the body processes over time, and if there's more then you just shit it out.

Hence as I understand it, if we disregard the sugar on your teeth, blood sugar levels, and all the other issues bad/excess food can cause, there's a certain point of stuffing yourself per day beyond which you're not going to be gaining more and more fat that day, it's just gonna come out in your crap the next day. gaining fat is more of a long term issue of eating more calories than your burning.

However to make it a bit less simple than 'eat less calories than you burn every day for a while' your body can potentially go into a 'starvation' mode if you eat WELL below what you need to eat. In this state some funky shit happens with your body and it starts storing fat cause it thinks you'll need it.

I think that sums up my AMAZING knowledge of dieting.

Your summary is hilarious.

I'm not going to bother with anything else, but there is no limit to how much the body can store as fat. It's essentially infinite.

Post by **feedback** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:25 am

l0g1c wrote:I was afraid I might have to demonstrate my ignorance in order to illustrate what information I'm lacking.

I'm looking for really basic information to begin with. How does my body treat the double cheeseburger I just ate? The bread gets broken down into sugars, the meat into proteins? What happens if I only burn 2000 calories and consume 2500? What happens if I consume 1500 calories and burn 3000? Does the body burn fat right there on the spot or is it converted after the fact? Why are fatty & sugary foods bad for you? etc etc ad nauseum.

Edit: Ah, thanks Julios. I'll take a look at that site when it comes back up.

The bread is high in carbohydrates. There are two main subgroups of carbohydrates, simple (mostly different kinds of sugars) and complex (these are generally what you want to ingest). Basicly you just need to know that your body requires carbs to live, and you shouldn't be afraid of them.
The meat will give you mostly proteins, with some fat and cholesterol (which are also not all bad, you require cholesterol to produce some hormones, and it can only be found in animal products).
If you ingest 2500 calories and you only burn 2000, guess where that extra energy goes. It gets stored as fat. So lets say this happens during the week. 7 days X +500 Calorie surplus = 3500 Calories. 3500 Calories = 1 lb of fat added on. Nice one, fatass! The opposite is also true. 7 days X -500 Calories deficit = -3500 Calories, you've just burned through 1 lb of fat, nice one.

Does the body burn fat right there on the spot or is it converted after the fact? It depends. The body can directly break down fat to get energy, but fat is only the preferred energy source for low-medium intensity aerobic exercise. Anaerobic exercise can lead to the breakdown of fat indirectly.

Why are fatty & sugary foods bad for you? They aren't "bad" for you necessarily, it's just that fat is a very calorie dense nutrient (9 Cal/g, as opposed to 4 Cal/g for protein and carbs), and table/added sugar is a completely "empty calorie" food, (as is alcohol, btw) in that it contains absolutely no essential nutrients.

Post by **Foo** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:55 am

feedback wrote: Your summary is hilarious.

I'm not going to bother with anything else, but there is no limit to how much the body can store as fat. It's essentially infinite.

Likewise with your reading skills

Post by **feedback** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:57 am

what?

Post by **tnf** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:14 am

Ah, I see - when log1c asked about fat being burned on the spot , I thought he meant spot reduction - i.e. doing situps will burn fat preferentially from your stomach (it doesn't).

Makes more sense now that feedback actually answered the question being asked about mobilization of fats.

Post by **feedback** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:20 am

That's right- better retire, old man. My C-grade knowledge of exercise physiology will put you in the ground. The ground, tnf.

Post by **Dark Metal** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:28 am

Told.

Post by **tnf** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:29 am

feedback wrote:That's right- better retire, old man. My C-grade knowledge of exercise physiology will put you in the ground. The ground, tnf.

I've been contemplating retirement - this seals it. Thanks for pushing me over the edge.

I'll stick to teaching freshmen the difference between solids and liquids. I can't think of a better way to use the knowledge I got from graduate biochemistry and molecular biology classes.

Post by **feedback** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:37 am

Or researching stuff about things with a couple people, nobody cares. Gotta go now, I'm gonna cycle and juice on some lactic acid and creatine phosphate. See you when I'm 500 lbs of cock and muscle, you poor jackass.

Post by **werldhed** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:57 am

Although I agree with tnf's suggestion of a Biochem text, I'd start with an Anat/Phys text for general info on the body uses energy.

Once you have a grasp on that, then check out a Biochem text. Otherwise, if you don't know anything about metabolism, you can easily get bogged down in the chemical details in such a book.

Just my $.02