Quadhore wrote:So let me get this straight, toxicbug.. You said my car isn't fast, but a 1.8t jetta, whith the same engine as mine, just heavily under-tuned is"damn quick" and you've "never driven anything as fast" and compared to your car it's "holy fuck".
So what did you mean when you said: "you have no idea what a fast car is. Your S3 isn't fast"
A chipped Jetta will develop 207bhp maximum.
fucking vtech kids. 2dumb2stupid
207bhp? I don't think so.
S3 is a nice car. Stock they are slow.
I think slow is the wrong word to use. Stock they are slowER, but to someone who's only driven a chipped jetta, it would feel like a bloody rocket. I think we can agree on that.
I think it's funny you drive a modded car and know nothing about 1.8T's. Do you tune with your credit car? like you pay people to tune and know nothing it yourself? S3 stock moves it's not slow, but when you drive other fast cars, it will seem slow.
I have been in sti's/gt3's/vette/500whp svt's you name it.
Don Carlos wrote:oh and the reason i shout bullshit is because 24psi is about 1.6/1.7 bar.
No way would the standard turbo run at that for long also he would need bigger injectors and also a bigger fuel pump and a new inter cooler.
But the fact is the standard turbo would not hold that much pressure
I am still laughing at this man.... All you say is no way.... 24 psi has been done many many times by many many people.
bigger injectors? bigger fuel pump? new intercooler?
why oh why? with 220whp, you don't need bigger of anything.
One common problem with the 1.8t engine in most variations is the diff. We've had them come in the garage where the gearbox has blown because someone put 18 inch wheels on and tried to pull away fast from the lights and left his gearbox somewhere down the road.
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Memphis wrote:
For the record, Drum fucking bitchslapbackhanded the whining lot of you simply by personally owning half the threads in RnR.
Acting like a dick on the internet is one thing. Few have such a river of tears dedicated to them.
This was a reaction Testo was practically begging for for months
the revo is really far from aggresive, if you think it's aggresive go drive a giac, then you feal aggresive.
Don Carlos wrote:oh and the reason i shout bullshit is because 24psi is about 1.6/1.7 bar.
No way would the standard turbo run at that for long also he would need bigger injectors and also a bigger fuel pump and a new inter cooler.
But the fact is the standard turbo would not hold that much pressure
I am still laughing at this man.... All you say is no way.... 24 psi has been done many many times by many many people.
bigger injectors? bigger fuel pump? new intercooler?
why oh why? with 220whp, you don't need bigger of anything.
One common problem with the 1.8t engine in most variations is the diff. We've had them come in the garage where the gearbox has blown because someone put 18 inch wheels on and tried to pull away fast from the lights and left his gearbox somewhere down the road.
Never ever seen that happen, I have seen 3rd gears brake. Unless you are running drag radials, I don't see it happening, and then it's the axles that are 1st to go.
Quadhore wrote:
Totally wrong. The standard jetta is 150hp, so adding 40hp to that is 190hp. 150+50=190. Use a calculator if you don't believe me. Maybe, MAYBE a downpipe added 10hp, if you're lucky. hence my "207hp"(the 7 might be gained from a performance fuel). But maybe you're talking about the 5-speed tiptronic, because I think that comes with 180 to compensate for the extra weight. But, my math is nothing if not fantastic, and 180+40=220, so the lighter pulleys and downpipe might help it develop an extra 10 or so hp, but that'll be offset by the extra weight from the tiptronic system.
I don't know what you're trying to prove to me. It seems like you're saying my car isn't fast, yet a car that's never even close to the power of mine can only be described as "holy fuck"
Let's take my stock s3. 225hp with 4 wheel drive and an amazing chassis and have it ECU remapped by Revo. Let's also add a fully adjustable Koni Coilover Kit with poly bushes, and a carbon fibre front strut. then put some samco hoses in with a forge dv to increase throttle responce and stop intake collapse. Obviously I'd need better brakes, so the rear I leave stock, and up front I put a nice big pair of Brembo GT's. A milltek catback exhaust system is next, adding a small amount of HP, added with some 98ron fuel, we're currently touching 300hp. Next lets add some nice OZ lightweight alloys, and throw the spare out of the boot to reduce a bit of weight.
the next thing I do is close all of my fingers and then slowly extend my middle at which point I laugh at you for being such a twat
but well done your friend. He managed to beat a VW jetta in his VW jetta. I heard they use them as pace cars in f1 racing these days
150hp? yes for the awd, aww motors, the awp motors make 180hp.
The stock downpipe is very restrictive, A whole turboback adds a lot more then 10hp. A chip adds 40hp with 80 more torque.
N75H race increases boost, and with a mbc you can achiece anywhere from 22-25 psi depending on how well the waste gate can hold close.
Your s3 is nice, but 4wd does goble up some of the power, how much whp are u putting down?
An s3 modified is not slow.
The 4wd is about 130kg more than fwd, and eats about 20hp, but you make up for that with traction, so it balances. I'll be able to give you an exact figure next month when I get back from AMD. I think the revo remaps are a bit too aggressive, so I'm switching to AMD for a 5 hour trial because apparantly the power is spread more evenly across the band.
Dyno's are kewl and all but don't represent real life. But I will be more then glad to see the dyno. Did you see the dyno I posted. 250AWHP from just a chipped tt225.
Just to give you another perspective a stock turbo 1.8T can pull on Sti's from a roll, and they have 300hp.
I think slow is the wrong word to use. Stock they are slowER, but to someone who's only driven a chipped jetta, it would feel like a bloody rocket. I think we can agree on that.
I think it's funny you drive a modded car and know nothing about 1.8T's. Do you tune with your credit car? like you pay people to tune and know nothing it yourself? S3 stock moves it's not slow, but when you drive other fast cars, it will seem slow.
I have been in sti's/gt3's/vette/500whp svt's you name it.
Since I've worked with cars most of my life, have spent 3 years in an audi garage and have a degree in mechanical engineering, I reckon I know a thing or 2. That being said, cars aren't my passion, so I'm not able to reel off endless stupid statistics like toxicbug and performance figures for cars I don't own. But if you give me a ramp, a snap-on box, a clip lamp and an hours lunch, I'm good to go.
The list of cars I've driven will probably put yours to shame, but this isn't a pissing contest, so I'm not going to argue with you. And anythig with 4 wheels seems slow if you've ever riden a gsx-1000 or similar, so comparisons don't really matter. This all started from toxicbug wanking on about vtec, and it continued when he said my car was slow, but a chipped jetta wasn't.
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eurodin wrote:
Dyno's are kewl and all but don't represent real life. But I will be more then glad to see the dyno. Did you see the dyno I posted. 250AWHP from just a chipped tt225.
Just to give you another perspective a stock turbo 1.8T can pull on Sti's from a roll, and they have 300hp.
Yeah that graph was really impressive. I'm not convinced you could run that for long without fucking something up though. People love TT's, but they used to be the most common car coming in when I worked.
Quadhore wrote:
I think slow is the wrong word to use. Stock they are slowER, but to someone who's only driven a chipped jetta, it would feel like a bloody rocket. I think we can agree on that.
I think it's funny you drive a modded car and know nothing about 1.8T's. Do you tune with your credit car? like you pay people to tune and know nothing it yourself? S3 stock moves it's not slow, but when you drive other fast cars, it will seem slow.
I have been in sti's/gt3's/vette/500whp svt's you name it.
Since I've worked with cars most of my life, have spent 3 years in an audi garage and have a degree in mechanical engineering, I reckon I know a thing or 2. That being said, cars aren't my passion, so I'm not able to reel off endless stupid statistics and performance figures for cars I don't own. But if you give me a ramp, a snap-on box, a clip lamp and an hours lunch, I'm good to go.
The list of cars I've driven will probably put yours to shame, but this isn't a pissing contest, so I'm not going to argue with you. And anythig with 4 wheels seems slow if you've ever riden a gsx-1000 or similar, so comparisons don't really matter. This all started from toxicbug wanking on about vtec, and it continued when he said my car was slow, but a chipped jetta wasn't.
I agree with you, give me a giixxer 1000 and it will do 9@150mph on the 1/4 with some bolt ons.
By saying a fullly bolted on S3 is slow is dumb. The s4's are different story, they are hella pigs, how heavy is the s3? 3000-3200 pounds?
Your s3 motor has ko4 turbo same like Audi TT correct?
eurodin wrote:
Again with 280whp-300whp reliability is not an issue at all with these motors. But if you say so.
So you're saying that you don't think it's necessary to strengthen the engine even slightly when running it at 25psi of boost and expect it to last for any reasonable amount of time?
I am not the only one saying this, the whole vw community says with 300whp you need to change anything. a vw block is not like a honda block. I don't understand why you are arguing still.
So you'd not take any steps to ensure the reliability of the motor, fine. I would.
What I'm wondering is, who said anything about changing internals? Do you consider head studs to be internals? And I'm just curious here, are you speaking from experience? How many turbocharged VW motors have you built? You seem to know what you're talking about, so please don't tell me you're another ToxicTard.
eurodin wrote:
I think it's funny you drive a modded car and know nothing about 1.8T's. Do you tune with your credit car? like you pay people to tune and know nothing it yourself? S3 stock moves it's not slow, but when you drive other fast cars, it will seem slow.
I have been in sti's/gt3's/vette/500whp svt's you name it.
Since I've worked with cars most of my life, have spent 3 years in an audi garage and have a degree in mechanical engineering, I reckon I know a thing or 2. That being said, cars aren't my passion, so I'm not able to reel off endless stupid statistics and performance figures for cars I don't own. But if you give me a ramp, a snap-on box, a clip lamp and an hours lunch, I'm good to go.
The list of cars I've driven will probably put yours to shame, but this isn't a pissing contest, so I'm not going to argue with you. And anythig with 4 wheels seems slow if you've ever riden a gsx-1000 or similar, so comparisons don't really matter. This all started from toxicbug wanking on about vtec, and it continued when he said my car was slow, but a chipped jetta wasn't.
I agree with you, give me a giixxer 1000 and it will do 9@150mph on the 1/4 with some bolt ons.
By saying a fullly bolted on S3 is slow is dumb. The s4's are different story, they are hella pigs, how heavy is the s3? 3000-3200 pounds?
Your s3 motor has ko4 turbo same like Audi TT correct?
yup, type k04
alas my real knowledge of the Audi S3 comes to a bit of a hault now :icon30:
Where were you when the West was defeated?
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eurodin wrote:
But revo hardware does suck, I am sorry.
No it doesn't. It just doesn't under any circumstances. And revo isn't hardware, it's software.
entirely correct it is software, i was typing fast and not paying attention. And yes it does suck, I have smoked countless revod 1.8t's.
The best software is GIAC. REvo can't even make BT software, everyone hates them.
Well, you're the first person I've ever met who've said that revo flat out suck. Most people like either revo or amd, but have a preference based on how they like the power delivery. And I'm positive revo have software for BT's. I'm sure it comes with the stage 4. Again though, I'm no expert.
It's kewl you can admit you aren't informed about these cars, or wtv, I don't mind, but when you guys talk outa your ass telling me what can and can't be done, without having any or little knowledge about the subject this is what's funny. I am not pointing this out to any person, but it goes for everyone.
With that a aside you should get 250whp without a question.
Do you have aftermarker downpipe? the downpipe really kills the gains. With a full turboback, ko4 with software 250awhp is dooable.
Revo sucks though, on 1.8T, I find it smooth like butter, along with neuspeed, I mean nospeed. Giac is crazy, their X has unlimited boost, so no limp mode. Btw how many psi are you running with ur revo?
Nightshade wrote:
So you're saying that you don't think it's necessary to strengthen the engine even slightly when running it at 25psi of boost and expect it to last for any reasonable amount of time?
I am not the only one saying this, the whole vw community says with 300whp you need to change anything. a vw block is not like a honda block. I don't understand why you are arguing still.
So you'd not take any steps to ensure the reliability of the motor, fine. I would.
What I'm wondering is, who said anything about changing internals? Do you consider head studs to be internals? And I'm just curious here, are you speaking from experience? How many turbocharged VW motors have you built? You seem to know what you're talking about, so please don't tell me you're another ToxicTard.
I rebuild lawn mowers for a living, how's that for qualification. but only honda one's with vtechh hamsters running inside.
no head studs are not internals. I still don't get why you would want to change headstuds, and then you talk about reliability. The head is not going anywhere with 300whp. believe you me.
eurodin wrote:
I am not the only one saying this, the whole vw community says with 300whp you need to change anything. a vw block is not like a honda block. I don't understand why you are arguing still.
So you'd not take any steps to ensure the reliability of the motor, fine. I would.
What I'm wondering is, who said anything about changing internals? Do you consider head studs to be internals? And I'm just curious here, are you speaking from experience? How many turbocharged VW motors have you built? You seem to know what you're talking about, so please don't tell me you're another ToxicTard.
I rebuild lawn mowers for a living, how's that for qualification. but only honda one's with vtechh hamsters running inside.
no head studs are not internals. I still don't get why you would want to change headstuds, and then you talk about reliability. The head is not going anywhere with 300whp. believe you me.
I assume you're being facetious, so you think that my question is not germane?
Are you saying that 25psi of boost isn't abusing the shit out of that head?
On a side note, has anybody here ever got hold of one of the old 4WD Golfs produced a few years ago? A friend of mine has an unhealthy obsession with VW's and now that his latest pet project (his rat-look 80's camper is complete) he has managed to get hold of one.
I've always been a fan of Volkswagens, and it is quite a sweet little machine. Any input on somebody other than TB on their experiences with the 4WD Golf would be appreciated!
Ezekiel wrote:On a side note, has anybody here ever got hold of one of the old 4WD Golfs produced a few years ago? A friend of mine has an unhealthy obsession with VW's and now that his latest pet project (his rat-look 80's camper is complete) he has managed to get hold of one.
I've always been a fan of Volkswagens, and it is quite a sweet little machine. Any input on somebody other than TB on their experiences with the 4WD Golf would be appreciated!
Nightshade wrote:
So you'd not take any steps to ensure the reliability of the motor, fine. I would.
What I'm wondering is, who said anything about changing internals? Do you consider head studs to be internals? And I'm just curious here, are you speaking from experience? How many turbocharged VW motors have you built? You seem to know what you're talking about, so please don't tell me you're another ToxicTard.
I rebuild lawn mowers for a living, how's that for qualification. but only honda one's with vtechh hamsters running inside.
no head studs are not internals. I still don't get why you would want to change headstuds, and then you talk about reliability. The head is not going anywhere with 300whp. believe you me.
I assume you're being facetious, so you think that my question is not germane?
Are you saying that 25psi of boost isn't abusing the shit out of that head?
Honestly, after reading this whole tread, I can't trust anyones knowledge or opinions on this issue. I am saying that with 300whp the head will be fine. There is many ways you can achieve 300whp with different turbos, at different rpms. Obviouly if you take a gt35 turbo and run 25psi at 7000rpm you run the risk of blowing your motor. However, a stock 1.8T turbo is very puny, it only feeds the actual motor 20+psi at 3000-3500rpm and tapers down to 10psi at redline. The turbo size makes a huge difference. A stock turbo can never kill the motor at 25psi. The only thing that you can kill is turbo itself. which is $200 to change. Also you ran the risk at blowing hot air with 25psi on a stock turbo, because it is out of it's efficiency range.
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eurodin wrote:
I rebuild lawn mowers for a living, how's that for qualification. but only honda one's with vtechh hamsters running inside.
no head studs are not internals. I still don't get why you would want to change headstuds, and then you talk about reliability. The head is not going anywhere with 300whp. believe you me.
I assume you're being facetious, so you think that my question is not germane?
Are you saying that 25psi of boost isn't abusing the shit out of that head?
Honestly, after reading this whole tread, I can't trust anyones knowledge or opinions on this issue. I am saying that with 300whp the head will be fine. There is many ways you can achieve 300whp with different turbos, at different rpms. Obviouly if you take a gt35 turbo and run 25psi at 7000rpm you run the risk of blowing your motor. However, a stock 1.8T turbo is very puny, it only feeds the actual motor 20+psi at 3000-3500rpm and tapers down to 10psi at redline. The turbo size makes a huge difference. A stock turbo can never kill the motor at 25psi. The only thing that you can kill is turbo itself. which is $200 to change. Also you ran the risk at blowing hot air with 25psi on a stock turbo, because it is out of it's efficiency range.
Well, then you'll understand me questioning your bona fides, as we're used to dipshit ricer 'website mechanics' like ToxicTard spewing a grip of shit they don't understand and can't explain.
Are we to assume you're the guy that runs that dyno in the vid TB posted? You showed up shortly after he did so, so...
Anyways, I'll admit I'm no expert with the latest h/w, I'm an old school 8-valve fan. It just seems to me that 25psi is a LOT of boost to be running without ensuring that the heads not going to stretch the bolts over time. What's your longest firsthand experience with a motor like the one in the video?
