VTEC > M3

[Nightshade]

Horsepower - 231whp
Torque - 154ft/lbs

HAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

"Torque don't mean shit!"

don't forget fwd.

toxictard you can't really be this stupid can you?

Oh yes, how could I forget the delicious "wander all over the fucking road when I punch it" torque steer of FWD?

[andyman]

sometimes i wish Dr. Phil posted here so he could set toxic straight.

[werldhed]

Bah...all of my points have been mentioned, but I'll say them anyway:
-Put all those mods on the M3 and race, then make a decision on the better car.
-Racing aside, so many other factors make the M3 my choice, not least of which is that I cringe every time I see an Acura
-:olo: at andyman's pic. Odd coincidence, recently near my home I saw an NSX and I saw my 2nd Elise. I also spotted a Ford GT, and a few other exotics. Pretty cool.

[zewulf]

NSX-R as driven by Senna :icon31:

[andyman]

and then i saw an rx-7 with some really really REALLY wide tires on the back, and what looked like a mystichrome paint job. it looked okay, but all i could think about was how stupid the fast and the furious is.
I figured he was off to the local ricer meeting point and sure enough he was...

[Deathshroud]

and then i saw an rx-7 with some really really REALLY wide tires on the back, and what looked like a mystichrome paint job. it looked okay, but all i could think about was how stupid the fast and the furious is.
I figured he was off to the local ricer meeting point and sure enough he was...

Those rx-7's are no joke. They have the potential to be really fast.

[Maiden]

while there are tons of rice cars that will blow my vr6 off the road, I wouldn't trade one of them for my car just cause of the ergonomics.

[bitWISE]

i dont know, the nsx is a pretty damn nice car and I have seen vids of them haning with the big boys from Italy

which reminds me... I took this pic last weekend. I wasn't really too impressed with the car, but it was still a rare sight to see. today i saw a new lotus elise... that looked pretty hot

[lvlshot]http://andyman82.com/files/nsx.jpg[/lvlshot]

edit: what killed it for me on this car was the panoramic mirrors on the side mirrors. all it needs now is a 'my kid is an honor student' bumper sticker

There was a kid I used to work with at Target who drove one that his daddy bought him at an auction. I see tons of the new Elises though. I've even seen a few of the acidic puke green.

[SOAPboy]

I swear, ToxicSchmuck wakes up every day and says: "How can I possibly make myself look like an even bigger fucking idiot today?"

Let's see, VTEC ricer POS or a finely crafted German pussy magnet? Hmmm... Yeah, that IS a tough one.

The point of the race completely went by you, I'm not surprised you dumb shit you obviously want a hot car to attract chicks because otherwise you're fucked, ugly bald fuck.

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Thats your whole post fag ricer boy

[Guest]

that is a pretty cool car, but the video is kinda meh.

he was camping in second gear waiting to nail it. not real impressive.
my shitbox vw will probably keep up with an m3 if you let me camp at 3000 rpm when its time to go.

they were both in 2nd at 40mph...

[Guest]

The dude shifted twice in the short little time they were "racing" meaning he was more than likely in first gear. The guy driving the BMW either didnt shift at all or has an automatic. Not to mention the fact that the video is shot from the losing vehicle but still made it on the internet...

yeah and then the cameraman starts laughing right before it cuts out.

Toxic: they were not racing.

http://forums.montrealracing.com/showth ... p?t=302567

That is my car in the video. I'm sorry, but I can't read all of the French replies. Yes, that was an M3. Yes, he had downshifted. Yes, he did get on it.

http://forums.montrealracing.com/showpo ... stcount=32

for fucks sakes, read that thread. Lots of people thought they weren't racing. That ITR has 231whp, it probably runs mid-high 12's, OF COURSE it can demolish a stock M3. Btw, Bitwise, there are no automatic E46 M3's, that one was SMG.

[Grandpa Stu]

but i recognize the superiority of the m3. i'd put money on the fact that the m3 would completely dessimate that acura on a proper course that has these things called turns--perhaps you've heard of them?

i'd hardly qualify a pull as a race either. with my turbo i can easily win a quick pull race, but on a course that actually takes a bit more skill, like turning the steering wheel, i'd be harder pressed to keep up with a more agile car...cuz lets face it the wrx isn't exactly a beaut when it comes to corner intensive tracks.

[dnoyc]

The dude shifted twice in the short little time they were "racing" meaning he was more than likely in first gear. The guy driving the BMW either didnt shift at all or has an automatic. Not to mention the fact that the video is shot from the losing vehicle but still made it on the internet...

yeah and then the cameraman starts laughing right before it cuts out.

Toxic: they were not racing.

http://forums.montrealracing.com/showth ... p?t=302567

That is my car in the video. I'm sorry, but I can't read all of the French replies. Yes, that was an M3. Yes, he had downshifted. Yes, he did get on it.

http://forums.montrealracing.com/showpo ... stcount=32

for fucks sakes, read that thread. Lots of people thought they weren't racing. That ITR has 231whp, it probably runs mid-high 12's, OF COURSE it can demolish a stock M3. Btw, Bitwise, there are no automatic E46 M3's, that one was SMG.

are you seriously fucking retarded? the m3 has 330+ hp. that's RWHP. granted the m3 is heavier but it still runs all over that piece of shit honda in anything you can possibly test.

PS: i laugh at tards like you all the time when they try to race me. just because i can walk away from 95% of things that try to race me doesn't mean i'll make an ass of myself on public streets.

m3s, evos, stis, those are fast cars that can actually run with me if they have engine work. hondas i just laugh at.

[MaCaBr3]

Vid is offline, but anyway, I'll take an M3 over any japanese car. BECAUSE THEY ARE DA BLING BLING

[ek]

vtec

[Doombrain]

christ. if someone spent the time and money on the M3 engine, it would be better. fact.

now fuck off with your shite engine topics

[Doombrain]

anyway dickhead. BMW bought out a 1.4 engine that had 1500bhp. Stick that up your vtec

[Nightshade]

Christ, every topic TB posts becomes a contest to see who can kick him the farthest.

[PhoeniX]

Even if the M3 lost I'd probably still have it over the Integra.

[Guest]

but i recognize the superiority of the m3. i'd put money on the fact that the m3 would completely dessimate that acura on a proper course that has these things called turns--perhaps you've heard of them?

i'd hardly qualify a pull as a race either. with my turbo i can easily win a quick pull race, but on a course that actually takes a bit more skill, like turning the steering wheel, i'd be harder pressed to keep up with a more agile car...cuz lets face it the wrx isn't exactly a beaut when it comes to corner intensive tracks.

Actually that integra has a track setup, its not a drag car. Plus, the Integra Type R was manufactured as a very serious track car in mind, it handles like a beast. With handling mods and all the extra power, it would be interesting to see who won on a track, it should be pretty damn close. After all, we're not talking about a Mustang GT here or some other useless-in-a-bend american car, lol.

[Guest]

yeah and then the cameraman starts laughing right before it cuts out.

Toxic: they were not racing.

http://forums.montrealracing.com/showth ... p?t=302567

That is my car in the video. I'm sorry, but I can't read all of the French replies. Yes, that was an M3. Yes, he had downshifted. Yes, he did get on it.

http://forums.montrealracing.com/showpo ... stcount=32

for fucks sakes, read that thread. Lots of people thought they weren't racing. That ITR has 231whp, it probably runs mid-high 12's, OF COURSE it can demolish a stock M3. Btw, Bitwise, there are no automatic E46 M3's, that one was SMG.

are you seriously fucking retarded? the m3 has 330+ hp. that's RWHP. granted the m3 is heavier but it still runs all over that piece of shit honda in anything you can possibly test.

You have just removed all the credibility from yourself by posting that. You obviously don't understand the difference between whp and bhp, so I'll have to explain it to you since I'm nice and so that people don't laugh at you when you say stupid things like that.

The M3 has 333BHP, not WHP. The manufacturers give the horsepower at the crank, not at the wheels. That integra was 231WHP. That number is taken from a dyno pull and it is more important than BHP since fwd, rwd, and awd cars all have different power loss through the transmission.

FYI, on a front wheel drive car, 231WHP is probably actually 260-270BHP at the crank. The M3 has 333BHP. The M3 weighs 3400lbs and the Integra Type R weighs 2600lbs, or even less if it has gone through weight reduction. Now do you think that 60bhp in a rwd car (more power loss through the tranny) is enough to compensate for an 800lbs difference?

[andyman]

but i recognize the superiority of the m3. i'd put money on the fact that the m3 would completely dessimate that acura on a proper course that has these things called turns--perhaps you've heard of them?

i'd hardly qualify a pull as a race either. with my turbo i can easily win a quick pull race, but on a course that actually takes a bit more skill, like turning the steering wheel, i'd be harder pressed to keep up with a more agile car...cuz lets face it the wrx isn't exactly a beaut when it comes to corner intensive tracks.

Actually that integra has a track setup, its not a drag car. Plus, the Integra Type R was manufactured as a very serious track car in mind, it handles like a beast. With handling mods and all the extra power, it would be interesting to see who won on a track, it should be pretty damn close. After all, we're not talking about a Mustang GT here or some other useless-in-a-bend american car, lol.

this image speaks for itself, now stfu dumbass

[Guest]

but i recognize the superiority of the m3. i'd put money on the fact that the m3 would completely dessimate that acura on a proper course that has these things called turns--perhaps you've heard of them?

i'd hardly qualify a pull as a race either. with my turbo i can easily win a quick pull race, but on a course that actually takes a bit more skill, like turning the steering wheel, i'd be harder pressed to keep up with a more agile car...cuz lets face it the wrx isn't exactly a beaut when it comes to corner intensive tracks.

Actually that integra has a track setup, its not a drag car. Plus, the Integra Type R was manufactured as a very serious track car in mind, it handles like a beast. With handling mods and all the extra power, it would be interesting to see who won on a track, it should be pretty damn close. After all, we're not talking about a Mustang GT here or some other useless-in-a-bend american car, lol.

this image speaks for itself, now stfu dumbass

I wasn't talking about heavily modified GT race cars you dumb shit.

[andyman]

http://forums.montrealracing.com/showth ... p?t=302567
http://forums.montrealracing.com/showpo ... stcount=32

for fucks sakes, read that thread. Lots of people thought they weren't racing. That ITR has 231whp, it probably runs mid-high 12's, OF COURSE it can demolish a stock M3. Btw, Bitwise, there are no automatic E46 M3's, that one was SMG.

are you seriously fucking retarded? the m3 has 330+ hp. that's RWHP. granted the m3 is heavier but it still runs all over that piece of shit honda in anything you can possibly test.

You have just removed all the credibility from yourself by posting that. You obviously don't understand the difference between whp and bhp, so I'll have to explain it to you since I'm nice and so that people don't laugh at you when you say stupid things like that.

The M3 has 333BHP, not WHP. The manufacturers give the horsepower at the crank, not at the wheels. That integra was 231WHP. That number is taken from a dyno pull and it is more important than BHP since fwd, rwd, and awd cars all have different power loss through the transmission.

FYI, on a front wheel drive car, 231WHP is probably actually 260-270BHP at the crank. The M3 has 333BHP. The M3 weighs 3400lbs and the Integra Type R weighs 2600lbs, or even less if it has gone through weight reduction. Now do you think that 60bhp in a rwd car (more power loss through the tranny) is enough to compensate for an 800lbs difference?

This is how you figure out actual horsepower, not some shitty dyno. Dyno's don't mean shit.

Click

[andyman]

Actually that integra has a track setup, its not a drag car. Plus, the Integra Type R was manufactured as a very serious track car in mind, it handles like a beast. With handling mods and all the extra power, it would be interesting to see who won on a track, it should be pretty damn close. After all, we're not talking about a Mustang GT here or some other useless-in-a-bend american car, lol.

this image speaks for itself, now stfu dumbass

I wasn't talking about heavily modified GT race cars you dumb shit.

well look what is right behind it, and i sure as hell don't see any shitcan acura's. why? because no matter what you do they will not hang.