and so it continues.......

Post by **busetibi** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:28 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4728616.stm

"One group threw a tyre around one man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze,"

nice :icon26:

Post by **shadd_** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:37 am

these are probably the same people who beat old ladies accused of witchcraft to death with sticks.

you know the ones who never went to school, been to a dentist or use toilet paper.

Post by **busetibi** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:39 am

i didnt want it to appear that Postals thread was being hijacked, which in fact it was.

Post by **tnf** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:07 am

I wonder how these stories are covered by the Al Jazeera networks. Specifically, I'd be curious to see the underlying tone of the reports and editorials about it. And before people get upset - I'm not suggesting it would necessarily be 'hateful' coverage or anything like that...

Post by **busetibi** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:17 am

http://www.iribnews.ir/front_en.asp?sec=front_en

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 4AA96B.htm

Post by **Dave** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:32 am

I'm trying to think something one could do to America or Europe (or wider than that) short of killing a bunch of people that would result in violent world-wide protest... There isn't anything. Flags get burned, names get called... Even the USS Cole bombing really didn't get much of a response. I don't think we have a hard shell, we just don't really give a shit.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:39 am

The muslims piss of the chrstians, then the christians will fight back, which will result in World War III which was set off by a cartoon and some stupid dirty arabs.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:49 am

Dave wrote:I'm trying to think something one could do to America or Europe (or wider than that) short of killing a bunch of people that would result in violent world-wide protest... There isn't anything. Flags get burned, names get called... Even the USS Cole bombing really didn't get much of a response. I don't think we have a hard shell, we just don't really give a shit.

then again, we are living in relative luxury thanks in large part to colonial history.

I think that can't be ignored in this issue.

Post by **Dave** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:25 am

ToxicBug wrote:The muslims piss of the chrstians, then the christians will fight back, which will result in World War III which was set off by a cartoon and some stupid dirty arabs.

lol.. that would never happen

Post by **Dave** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:43 am

[xeno]Julios wrote:
Dave wrote:I'm trying to think something one could do to America or Europe (or wider than that) short of killing a bunch of people that would result in violent world-wide protest... There isn't anything. Flags get burned, names get called... Even the USS Cole bombing really didn't get much of a response. I don't think we have a hard shell, we just don't really give a shit.
then again, we are living in relative luxury thanks in large part to colonial history.

I think that can't be ignored in this issue.

Well of course it can't be ignored.. but instead of contextualizing their outrage with colonial injustice rhetoric, it's always about satirizing the prophet. Unlike the colonial times when religion in Europe actually meant something, these days, the West understands money and almost nothing more. It's obviously a postcolonial issue as dickheads like toxicbug demonstrate when they call Muslim protestors "some stupid dirty arabs," but few people understand that because that's not how it's been presented by the protesters.

To us, we're so desensitized to freedom of speech that it never shows up on our radars unless it's pro-racist (another colonial legacy).

Post by **R00k** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:48 am

Dave wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:
Dave wrote:I'm trying to think something one could do to America or Europe (or wider than that) short of killing a bunch of people that would result in violent world-wide protest... There isn't anything. Flags get burned, names get called... Even the USS Cole bombing really didn't get much of a response. I don't think we have a hard shell, we just don't really give a shit.
then again, we are living in relative luxury thanks in large part to colonial history.

I think that can't be ignored in this issue.
Well of course it can't be ignored.. but instead of contextualizing their outrage with colonial injustice rhetoric, it's always about satirizing the prophet. Unlike the colonial times when religion in Europe actually meant something, these days, the West understands money and almost nothing more. It's obviously a postcolonial issue as dickheads like toxicbug demonstrate when they call Muslim protestors "some stupid dirty arabs," but few people understand that because that's not how it's been presented by the protesters.

To us, we're so desensitized to freedom of speech that it never shows up on our radars unless it's pro-racist (another colonial legacy).

No offense Dave, of course, but that seems strange coming from you. You're no Canis, but when it comes to talking about colonial injustice you're far from the first to agree that it's the direct and indirect cause of most of our problems with the middle east.
Or, at least, you're far from the first to agree that maybe we should have taken a different approach.

Post by **Dave** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:16 am

R00k wrote:
Dave wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote: then again, we are living in relative luxury thanks in large part to colonial history.

I think that can't be ignored in this issue.
Well of course it can't be ignored.. but instead of contextualizing their outrage with colonial injustice rhetoric, it's always about satirizing the prophet. Unlike the colonial times when religion in Europe actually meant something, these days, the West understands money and almost nothing more. It's obviously a postcolonial issue as dickheads like toxicbug demonstrate when they call Muslim protestors "some stupid dirty arabs," but few people understand that because that's not how it's been presented by the protesters.

To us, we're so desensitized to freedom of speech that it never shows up on our radars unless it's pro-racist (another colonial legacy).
No offense Dave, of course, but that seems strange coming from you. You're no Canis, but when it comes to talking about colonial injustice you're far from the first to agree that it's the direct and indirect cause of most of our problems with the middle east.
Or, at least, you're far from the first to agree that maybe we should have taken a different approach.

lol.. you obviously know nothing about me or my background. Try responding to my post instead of trying to compare me to Canis--is there a point to your comparison? Do you know much about the modern middle east? How much do you know about the relationship between race, colonalism, ethnicity, nationalism, religion and all these other -isms that have shaped the world around us? You think I'm soft on colonial injustice? Go back and read some of my posts--especially the ones about last year's Paris riots.

Post by **tnf** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:53 pm

Dutch guy did the cartoon, right? I guess its still America's fault though.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11445755/

"Muslims assault U.S. Embassy in Indonesia
Several people injured as protesters of cartoons unsuccessfully storm gates"

I was glad to see that King Abdullah was calling for peaceful dialogue, but I'd have also liked to see him say "KNOCK THE FUCKING SHIT OFF YOU CUNTS." Maybe he did and they just didn't print that.