this danish cartoon nonsense is getting out of hand
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Don Carlos
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Gaza's Shirt:
Sayyid Iman Al-Sharif (aka Dr Fadl)
Part 1.
http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp? ... 3&id=16980
Part 2.
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=3&id=17003
Sayyid Iman Al-Sharif (aka Dr Fadl)
Part 1.
http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp? ... 3&id=16980
Part 2.
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=3&id=17003
I just finished reading Justin Raimundo’s weekly column, he dug up some interesting stuff on the Danish editor who fist ran the cartoons.
http://antiwar.com/justin/
http://antiwar.com/justin/
Wikipedia is becoming a huge resource. The talk page is insane:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jylla ... ontroversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jylla ... ontroversy
[size=85]yea i've too been kind of thinking about maybe a new sig but sort of haven't come to quite a decision yet[/size]
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Anhedoniac
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That's a laugh...just because they live in Denmark doesn't mean they haven't heard about Theo van Gogh (RIP).Justin Raimundo wrote: Why are Muslims to blame for the cowardice of artists who insist on censoring themselves? The implication is that these poor persecuted artistes will be on the receiving end of violence, but there has not been a single incident of this in Denmark, at least not that I could find.
guess who got a deaththreat earlier today?Eraser wrote:AEL publishing anti-semitic cartoons as well:
http://www.arabeuropean.org/newsdetail.php?ID=94
(it says bandwidth exceeded right now though)
Now the Dutch Center of Information and Documentation Israel has pressed charges against them, the hypocritic cunts.
The funny thing is that lots of muslim organizations now try to hurt jews and christians back by publishing their own cartoons, but what they don't realise is that jews and christians probably don't give a flying fuck (well, at least for those few hypocrites that press charges, but at least they don't go burning flags)
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good column. he's right about us being 'softened up' for another war, though whether these cartoons are a part of that is up for questionRyoki wrote:I just finished reading Justin Raimundo’s weekly column, he dug up some interesting stuff on the Danish editor who fist ran the cartoons.
http://antiwar.com/justin/
i'm glad he mentioned david irving. european hypocrisy over his case is staggering
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Danes offer to publish Holocaust cartoons
Feb. 8, 2006. 11:22 AM
NEW YORK (AP) — The Danish editor behind publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that ignited deadly riots in the Muslim world said Wednesday he's willing to publish cartoons on the Holocaust from Iran.
"My newspaper is trying to establish a contact with the Iranian newspaper, and we would run the cartoons the same day as they publish them," Flemming Rose of the newspaper Jyllands-Posten said Wednesday in an interview on CNN's American Morning.
The Iranian newspaper Hamshahri said Tuesday it would hold the competition to test whether the West extends the same principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide as it did to caricatures of the Prophet.
Meanwhile, the chief editor of Jyllands-Posten's Sunday edition, Jens Kaiser, said Wednesday it was quality, not content, that made him reject caricatures of Jesus three years ago, even though he told the cartoonist at the time that he feared "an outcry."
The cartoons had been sent in unsolicited.
Kaiser's e-mail to the cartoonist rejecting the drawings has been circulated to news media in recent days, apparently to question Jyllands-Posten's commitment to free speech regardless of topic.
In his e-mail, Kaiser told the rejected cartoonist that readers would not enjoy the drawings, which "will provoke an outcry."
Kaiser said Wednesday that he had actually rejected them because "their quality was not good."
However, he conceded that it "looks like we have opted for a line to publish Muhammad drawings and not Jesus drawings."
"I have been Sunday editor for 18 years, and I can say that 90-95 per cent of the unsolicited material we get is turned down," he said.
The cartoons of the Prophet were first published by Jyllands-Posten in September. As Muslim protests mounted, numerous European newspapers have reprinted them in recent days in the name of free expression, provoking wider and angrier protests.
Rose, Jyllands-Posten's culture editor, told CNN he came up with the idea of the Prophet cartoon contest after several local cases of self-censorship involving people fearing reprisals from Muslims.
"There was a story out there and we had to cover it," Rose said. "We just chose to cover it in a different way, according to the principal: Don't tell it, show it."
The drawings — including one depicting the Prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb — have touched a nerve, in part, because Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustrations of the Prophet Muhammad, even favourable ones, for fear they could lead to idolatry.
"I do not regret it," Rose said. "I think it is like asking a rape victim if she regrets wearing a short skirt at a discotheque Friday night.
"In that sense, in our culture, if you're wearing a short skirt, that does not necessarily mean you invite everybody to have sex with you. As is the case with these cartoons, if you make a cartoon, make fun of religion, make fun of religious figures, that does not imply that you humiliate or denigrate or marginalize a religion."
The Iranian newspaper said its contest would be launched Monday and co-sponsored by the House of Caricatures, a Tehran exhibition centre for cartoons.
The newspaper and the cartoon centre are owned by the Tehran Municipality, which is dominated by allies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, well-known for his opposition to Israel and has questioned the Holocaust as a possible `myth.'.
Meanwhile, the editor of Jyllands-Posten, Carsten Juste, said Wednesday he had no intention of resigning over the issue.
He remarks came after Danish Foreign Minister Uffe Ellemann-Jensen said on national radio that "when an editor-in-chief admits he made an erroneous judgment ... he should quit."
In a brief reply on the newspaper's website, Juste said: "I do not feel called ... in that direction."
Jyllands-Posten said on Jan. 30 it regretted it had offended Muslims and apologized to them, but stood by its decision to print the cartoons, saying it was within Danish law. Two days later, Juste said he would not have printed the cartoons had he foreseen the consequences.
Feb. 8, 2006. 11:22 AM
NEW YORK (AP) — The Danish editor behind publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that ignited deadly riots in the Muslim world said Wednesday he's willing to publish cartoons on the Holocaust from Iran.
"My newspaper is trying to establish a contact with the Iranian newspaper, and we would run the cartoons the same day as they publish them," Flemming Rose of the newspaper Jyllands-Posten said Wednesday in an interview on CNN's American Morning.
The Iranian newspaper Hamshahri said Tuesday it would hold the competition to test whether the West extends the same principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide as it did to caricatures of the Prophet.
Meanwhile, the chief editor of Jyllands-Posten's Sunday edition, Jens Kaiser, said Wednesday it was quality, not content, that made him reject caricatures of Jesus three years ago, even though he told the cartoonist at the time that he feared "an outcry."
The cartoons had been sent in unsolicited.
Kaiser's e-mail to the cartoonist rejecting the drawings has been circulated to news media in recent days, apparently to question Jyllands-Posten's commitment to free speech regardless of topic.
In his e-mail, Kaiser told the rejected cartoonist that readers would not enjoy the drawings, which "will provoke an outcry."
Kaiser said Wednesday that he had actually rejected them because "their quality was not good."
However, he conceded that it "looks like we have opted for a line to publish Muhammad drawings and not Jesus drawings."
"I have been Sunday editor for 18 years, and I can say that 90-95 per cent of the unsolicited material we get is turned down," he said.
The cartoons of the Prophet were first published by Jyllands-Posten in September. As Muslim protests mounted, numerous European newspapers have reprinted them in recent days in the name of free expression, provoking wider and angrier protests.
Rose, Jyllands-Posten's culture editor, told CNN he came up with the idea of the Prophet cartoon contest after several local cases of self-censorship involving people fearing reprisals from Muslims.
"There was a story out there and we had to cover it," Rose said. "We just chose to cover it in a different way, according to the principal: Don't tell it, show it."
The drawings — including one depicting the Prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb — have touched a nerve, in part, because Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustrations of the Prophet Muhammad, even favourable ones, for fear they could lead to idolatry.
"I do not regret it," Rose said. "I think it is like asking a rape victim if she regrets wearing a short skirt at a discotheque Friday night.
"In that sense, in our culture, if you're wearing a short skirt, that does not necessarily mean you invite everybody to have sex with you. As is the case with these cartoons, if you make a cartoon, make fun of religion, make fun of religious figures, that does not imply that you humiliate or denigrate or marginalize a religion."
The Iranian newspaper said its contest would be launched Monday and co-sponsored by the House of Caricatures, a Tehran exhibition centre for cartoons.
The newspaper and the cartoon centre are owned by the Tehran Municipality, which is dominated by allies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, well-known for his opposition to Israel and has questioned the Holocaust as a possible `myth.'.
Meanwhile, the editor of Jyllands-Posten, Carsten Juste, said Wednesday he had no intention of resigning over the issue.
He remarks came after Danish Foreign Minister Uffe Ellemann-Jensen said on national radio that "when an editor-in-chief admits he made an erroneous judgment ... he should quit."
In a brief reply on the newspaper's website, Juste said: "I do not feel called ... in that direction."
Jyllands-Posten said on Jan. 30 it regretted it had offended Muslims and apologized to them, but stood by its decision to print the cartoons, saying it was within Danish law. Two days later, Juste said he would not have printed the cartoons had he foreseen the consequences.
That's the best thing they could have done. It illustrates the absurdity of the whole thing by making the point that the newspapers don't side with governments.
However, the whole situation would be a lot easier to right, if someone hadn't been thrown in jail in Europe for denying details of the holocaust.
However, the whole situation would be a lot easier to right, if someone hadn't been thrown in jail in Europe for denying details of the holocaust.
it was only a matter of time 
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Gee, I guess Raimondo missed the apology issued by the paper.
I disagree with him here about the 'hate' that's contained in the cartoons. Come on here, do muslim fanatics NOT blow up things/themselves? I don't see those cartoons as potraying islam as inherently terroristic, because I have enough of a brain in my head to realize that not all muslims are extremists.
I disagree with him here about the 'hate' that's contained in the cartoons. Come on here, do muslim fanatics NOT blow up things/themselves? I don't see those cartoons as potraying islam as inherently terroristic, because I have enough of a brain in my head to realize that not all muslims are extremists.
Nightshade[no u]
well yeah, some idiots who are muslims blow themselves and other people up, to be sure. on the other hand, such idiots are clearly a miniscule minority - much like the minority of so-called christians who just slaughtered 100,000 muslims in iraq for control of the oil, and are now trying to gull us into supporting another slaughter for exactly the same reasonNightshade wrote:Gee, I guess Raimondo missed the apology issued by the paper.
I disagree with him here about the 'hate' that's contained in the cartoons. Come on here, do muslim fanatics NOT blow up things/themselves? I don't see those cartoons as potraying islam as inherently terroristic, because I have enough of a brain in my head to realize that not all muslims are extremists.
islamists are raving nutters, no question, but these pinpricks they call a 'jihad' are pretty minor by comparison with the things done in the name of baby jesus
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sadly, no. but this is good...seremtan wrote:lol, a classic. any chance you've got the one testo made of drum in a wheelchair?HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:this also caused riots...
http://testoclesius.urbanup.com/910654
set lol is true while fun++
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